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Vaccine supply about to significantly reduce

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DareIask · 17/03/2021 16:51

Looks like Europe may have got their way

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EasterIssland · 19/03/2021 07:00

@Racoonworld

No you don’t need proof your a carer. As *@EasterIssland* says it’s on the gov website that you don’t. I went for mind this week and didn’t show any proof. If anyone gets asked just show the gov info stating you don’t need to.
Thanks. It’s more the fact people are pretending to be one in order to get an appointment when it ain’t their turn
Racoonworld · 19/03/2021 07:03

@EasterIssland that’s not something we can control, so shouldn’t worry about it. Some people might, but the majority won’t.

Racoonworld · 19/03/2021 07:03

And are people doing that? Has anyone said they are?

CuthbertDibbleandGrubb · 19/03/2021 07:08

This has been almost a panic and sadly been used to whip up ill-feeling towards the EU. The delay means the UK will end up being less ahead of the target than it would otherwise be.

Convenient to have an 'enemy abroad' so too many people might forget that the vaccine is the only thing that the government has got right in this pandemic.

EasterIssland · 19/03/2021 07:09

@Racoonworld

And are people doing that? Has anyone said they are?
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eastegg · 19/03/2021 07:11

Yes racoon. pastanred said they know lots of people. I commented that's a disgrace and that's what started this discussion about proof.

Squidwardrules · 19/03/2021 07:18

@EasterIssland

carers.org/guidance-on-coronavirus/coronavirus-vaccine-faqs-for-unpaid-carers

Do I need ID to prove I’m a carer at the vaccine centre?

When you go and get your vaccine, take along with you the confirmation of your appointment, photo ID if you have it to prove your identity (such as your name) , and your NHS number if you have it. You do not need to provide proof you are a carer.

When I booked mine on the gov website there was still the banner that said proof of carers allowance was required. This must have changed.
Racoonworld · 19/03/2021 07:22

@eastegg

Yes racoon. pastanred said they know lots of people. I commented that's a disgrace and that's what started this discussion about proof.
Missed that post. Hopefully it’s just a few people that do that.
wildchild554 · 19/03/2021 07:28

I'd just like to point out that people saying people who aren't in vulnerble catergory or over 50 will be fine. Yes alot will be but I know this is not always the case. I lost a friend in the first lockdown to covid who had no underlying issues and was younger than me so it can happen that someone is too ill to look after the kids, especially in single parent families where there is no other family to look after the kids.

I'm extremely high risk still not had mine and am having to discuss with gp first if it's worth taking the risk as chances are high I will have a reaction due to all the allergies I have and if I have one will be the oxford one to reduce the risks, no choice in that. Currently trying to put things in place should I have a reaction.

People have a right to be concerned you don't know peoples personal circumstances and no one nows how they will be if they get the virus.

KikoMiko · 19/03/2021 07:49

@EasterIssland

carers.org/guidance-on-coronavirus/coronavirus-vaccine-faqs-for-unpaid-carers

Do I need ID to prove I’m a carer at the vaccine centre?

When you go and get your vaccine, take along with you the confirmation of your appointment, photo ID if you have it to prove your identity (such as your name) , and your NHS number if you have it. You do not need to provide proof you are a carer.

Reading that link, I may qualify then although I've never really thought of myself as a carer. My DM is 79 and has mobility issues. I take her to hospital appointments, help do her shopping, help her with her cleaning and am generally her support. Does that make me her carer? I don't want to lie but equally it sounds like I might qualify.
Racoonworld · 19/03/2021 07:53

@KikoMiko yes it does for this purpose. The criteria includes looking after the elderly if you’re their main help and going into their home. I got mine because I help my grandad and he has no one else close by to help.

WombatChocolate · 19/03/2021 08:03

Furries.....very good post. Very balanced. I feel the same way. Disappointed late 40s, because it really has been trumpeted for the last couple of weeks that 40s would be offered starting to be done in March and most done by Easter.

Those saying ‘it was always July’ and ‘we are doing better than rest of world’ and ‘lots of over 50s aren’t done yet’.....that can all be true AND it can be true that the rollout was moving at once and government and the media said it would be going to 40s imminently.,....and not it’s not. People are allowed to be disappointed.

These things are nuanced aren’t they. It doesn’t have to be that only one thing is true...it can be true that we can be pleased that 25m have been done, we are doing well in world terms and that some of the earlier priority grouos remain to be done (that will be the case until the end of the vaccination period....they will always be following up those who didn’t or couldn’t respond to the their letter or the website invitation....some people need multiple invites or special help to get vaccinated such as home visits and it all takes time. People forget that there is no need to cease further rollout when supply is good, but there can be ‘mop up’ alongside rollout to younger groups) and have a sense of disappointment that something which was being hailed as imminent no longer is.

I guess some of the reaction depends on how closely people have followed all this. Still some have no idea at all where we are in the vaccine programme. Lots imagine it is still over 70s and younger groups are far off still. When they hear 40s won’t be jabbed in April, they can’t see what the fuss is about. But others have tracked the jab count every day, they have followed the national booking site as it opens up to more age groups and followed threads like this, where people around the country update on who is getting the jab at the moment. And they’ve read the media too.....and all of this absolutely supported the idea that 40s would start to be offered the jab in the next week....and in fact in lots if areas, have been already. So no wonder there is disappointment. It felt quite accuse on Wednesday when Hancock announced it and seemed to skim over the significant change in timescale for 40s.

And 24 hours later, those who have been following are getting used to the new idea. Yes, we can start to balance the idea that the country is doing well with 25m and that yes the 40s will be next when rollout expands, albeit perhaps 6 weeks later than hoped. Still hard for those who had to go back into the classroom and see over 100 kids a day and who have health conditions which didn’t quite qualify for group 6 and were hanging into the idea they’d be done before returning to school after Easter. And hard for those with health anxiety...and there are many. Doesn’t really matter if the risks are lower, they still feel them and of course the risk to a 49 year old now waiting another 6 weeks isn’t actually less than the risk to the 50 year old who will have had the jab, who was born a few weeks earlier. We all know there have to be cut offs, but it feels hard.

But people are adjusting and remembering deaths and hospitalisation are down, cases have reduced and more people being vaccinated helps and they will get the jab in a few weeks.

All these things are true at the same time. People who say no-one should be disappointed, or those who say it is a travesty and makes the whole vaccine programme a disaster are both wrong. There is still major success and it is okay to feel disappointed when something that felt so important and so close is suddenly and unexpectedly delayed by 6 weeks.

sleepwouldbenice · 19/03/2021 08:14

Wombat chocolat. Totally agreed. I was excited to feel I could move forward. I have never actually felt worried about catching covid personally so maybe it's contradictory, but it's still how I feel

middleager · 19/03/2021 08:38

Great post Wombat.
I feel disappointed, especially when a friend who is two months older (we are both 48) lives two streets away is getting her Vaccination this Saturday simply because her surgery is faster than mine, or a work colleague, 37, no underlying conditions has been called.

I feel disappointed that I can't see my mother on her birthday again, but my brother can, because he is 51. My family are chatting about it and I feel excluded.

It's natural to feel disappointed when we are surrounded by real life examples of under 50s being vaccinated already.

Northernsoulgirl45 · 19/03/2021 08:40

When they promised over 40s by the end of the the month I thought no way.. Turns out I was right.

Northernsoulgirl45 · 19/03/2021 08:41

I do feel'sirry for 45+ especially.

middleager · 19/03/2021 08:42

One of my colleagues in school has just tested positive, so it is a real concern.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 19/03/2021 09:09

Excellent post @WombatChocolate, you've summed up exactly how I feel about the situation.

Cabamba · 19/03/2021 09:11

A jab of the vaccine certainly eases one's mind. But if you have to wait a bit longer it's better than this time last year when a vaccine was years away if at all. If we do get back on track we will have much for which to be thankful, and I feel quietly confident we will only lose a month or so on the timetable.

PeasPeasPeas · 19/03/2021 09:16

I think the problem is that some of us have seen our mental health take a real battering through this and the thought that our jab could be so close was what was keeping us going. I have lost my mum recently and because of the pandemic, I missed out on her final months. My mental health is at a low, mostly because of this.

It didn't seem so bad before, as others have said, when it was groups much older being done, but something has shifted now. My 39 year old DH got called a couple of weeks ago, for none of the health conditions listed (he has very, very mild asthma, I have mild versions of conditions on the list too). I'm glad he is vaccinated but now I feel very, very alone. I have school aged children too, but they are too young to be part of the school testing. Statistics might show that people my age at less at risk, but it is still a risk.

So no, I don't think all the disappointed 40 somethings are being selfish. It is just hard to have that bit of hope taken away, even if it is very temporary. I feel for anyone in this position.

MarshaBradyo · 19/03/2021 09:22

Was the over 40 / 45 in the media only or was it said at a briefing?

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/03/2021 09:24

My colleague at 62 only got her jab yesterday. I’m not sure there was that much capacity in the system.

The Gaurdian have an article on it this morning. How the government have lied (predictably)

MarshaBradyo · 19/03/2021 09:25

I think it’s hard sometimes to not let your emotions rise and fall. I felt pretty happy at thought of vaccine soon, probably longer now.

But overall I know the programme is very good and I’ve readjusted again. But yes many my age were just starting to have it.

WombatChocolate · 19/03/2021 09:32

When they talked about how vaccines would be given after grouos 1-9 (ie by age and not occupation...those announcements) Sir Simon (think that’s his name) spoke at briefings about moving immediately onto the next age groups once 50s were done. The timescale to finish 50s was mid April, so although dates were not mentioned, 40s understood that to be from mid -April, although, as everyone knows, the NHS site offered to all over 50s by the start of this week, so it was widely expected that 40s would be offered it this month. And the government did brief the media to support this, leading to reports last weekend in the Telegraph about all over 40s being offered or jabbed by easter. They let the media be their spokesman rather than saying it directly....they are probably very glad about that now!

So they have been careful. Never have government directly said 40s will be done by a certain date, nor given dates for any cohort in fact, beyond the broad dates of 15 Fen for grouos 1-4, mid April for groups 1-9 and end July for all adults. It makes sense for them not to pin it down more than this because there will be fluctuations of supply and being too precise can only lead to disappointment. They just about avoided being overly precise about 40s, in terms of direct dates being mentioned by government themselves. BUT they did indicate 40s would be sooner than might have been originally expected via Sir Simons comments and via briefings to the media. They know there is now disappointment, but they don’t want to focus on that or acknowledge it, but have tried to cover it with a focus instead on delivering 2nd jabs and mopping up those not yet jabbed in earlier groups....but the intention was always to do those alongside the next age cohorts and not to stop the rollout to new cohorts. That’s where the change lies.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/03/2021 09:36

Apparently India was never meant to deliver those 5 m vaccinations when Boris said so.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/18/boris-johnson-stresses-covid-vaccine-safety-as-tensions-with-nhs-spill-over

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