Vaccine supply about to significantly reduce

[DareIask]

Looks like Europe may have got their way

The stuff about clotting quotes the comparative covid death risk as 1/1000 for 40s. That is a lot of kids losing parents. And whilst for an individual it is low that is 1/500 for your child of losing a parent.

It was only a few weeks ago the vaccines minister was on TV saying they had planned for the need for 2nd doses and it wouldn't impact their ability to deliver 1st doses at speed... So this month long pause was clearly not the plan at all.

@nordica

It was only a few weeks ago the vaccines minister was on TV saying they had planned for the need for 2nd doses and it wouldn't impact their ability to deliver 1st doses at speed... So this month long pause was clearly not the plan at all.

Yeah, and didn't Sir Simon Stevens do a whole briefing about it?

@nordica

It was only a few weeks ago the vaccines minister was on TV saying they had planned for the need for 2nd doses and it wouldn't impact their ability to deliver 1st doses at speed... So this month long pause was clearly not the plan at all.

@nordica

This Gov have said a lot of things that haven't actually reflected the reality of the situation:
-Opening primary schools for a day before calling lockdown
-Johnson's response to Cummings not adhering to the stay at home message 'In every respect, he has acted responsibly, legally and with integrity"
-The 37BILLION UK test and trace is 'world-beating'
-March 2020 Gavin Williamson: “I want to reassure you that we are doing everything to make sure that this year’s exams are fair for students, and that their efforts will be fairly rewarded” followed by mutant algorithm debacle

There are plenty of reasons to be skeptical about what this Government say. That said I'm really pleased the vaccine programme has gone as well as it has so far but as Princess Nut Nut reminds us there is a long way to go yet.

The stuff about clotting quotes the comparative covid death risk as 1/1000 for 40s.

This is the blended rate for everyone in their 40s, including people falling into vaccination Group 6 (Type 1 diabetes, high BMI, etc).

The risk for "fit and healthy" (including mild asthmatics - although I agree we can debate the definition of "mild") will be lower.

Nothing to do with the oddballs in the EU, it’s a temporary lull in supply.

The stuff about clotting quotes the comparative covid death risk as 1/1000 for 40s. That is a lot of kids losing parents. And whilst for an individual it is low that is 1/500 for your child of losing a parent.

This will affect not only the bereaved children but their friends too. I think there will be a ripple out effect and the next generation will be wondering why the fuck the adults accepted such shit governance (e.g. no real money put in to make schools safer).

So the Commonwealth special relationship isn't any better than the EU special relationship was then, after all?

Just as likely to get shafted by India as by Brussels it now seems

@HazelWitch

Just as likely to get shafted by India as by Brussels it now seems

Nope! That is, as I seem to be typing a lot today, the same contractual issue that the EU had with AZ. The UK government aren't shouting the odds about it because they know what is in the contract!

@RedToothBrush

I think its quite clear that the EU are saying to J&J, we will destroy your reputation too if you do not deliver to us.

If they are saying that to J&J then they really are doing their job badly!!!

It is a legal ban signed off by President Biden. J&J can not export illegally.

I would hope the EU were directing their point in the correct direction...

The J&J vaccine was manufactured with help from the DPA (Defense Production Act) which means that the administration has to approve any exports. They only had 4 million doses when they got approval in the US, vs. the 10 million they had targeted. So they likely will not get the approval to export until their manufacturing output is on track.

Then the EU will start bullying them, which is a bit like punching someone who is trying to pull you out of a burning car.

Curious you need a sticky post somewhere!

Think of the contracts people

Wow I am truly amazed at some of the negative attitudes and finger pointing going on here..

‘Shafted by India’.. ‘EU’s fault’ etc etc

We live in a country where over 25 million people have received a vaccine, and pretty much all vulnerable groups have been vaccinated.

Some countries have received nothing, and some of our European neighbours are entering a 3rd wave.

Where is the gratitude?

@MarshaBradyo

Curious you need a sticky post somewhere!

Think of the contracts people

It seeems pretty obvious to me.

AZ seem to have the same kind contract for each of their factory sites.

The EU fell foul of that at first, ad shouted about, even said it was a surprise.

The UK goovernment isn't going to shout about it as it was instrumental in it being written that way. So they have to accept it as that is how they all decided to keep AZ at cost and available.

I still have my issues with the seeming delay in sending anything to Covax, but am guessing that will happen over summer. But the G7 was a let down, some EU countries were quite miserable about it!

My feelings on it are that we are so lucky as a country to be in the position we are. We have vaccinated all the very high risk groups - or at least have been able to make the vaccine available to them if they want it.

The under 50s are massively less at risk of major illness or death, and the main purpose of vaccinating us is to avoid long COVID - in itself a very nasty outcome.

It's just my view but to get all princessy about the slight delay, when we have had so much achieved on our behalf is ungrateful.

I speak as an obese late 40s woman with pre-diabetes, high cholesterol and years of respiratory problems behind me. On the one hand, I am very disappointed because we had built our hopes up for an early release. But I'm still super grateful and really appreciate the luxury of the position we are in.

Let's not show our entitled worst side to the world. Let's put our chins up, stride forward hopefully and wait for our turn, which will come.

@Peanut3 well said , I can't believe some on here and we are still on target and prob some delays were built in anyway as there was always a chance of that

@Peanut3
Thank goodness someone beat me to it!

@nordica but if your supplies come in less than expected you have to adapt and thats what we have done , we are still on target everyone seems to forget that

@RedToothBrush thats shocking having them just sit there not being used and no immediate plans

With all the EU blaming, this just made me laugh:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9375499/Coronavirus-UK-Vaccine-hold-caused-AstraZeneca-delivery-delay-Indian-factory.html

So yeah, either India just joined the monstrous evil EU or the former colony doesn't want to obey. The meanies. Hope Johnson and all EU blaming Mumsnet posters won't touch curry for a year now that it's time to boycott someone else.

@DareIask

Looks like Europe may have got their way

Despite what the Murdoch press wants you to think, the shortage of vaccinations has nothing to do with the EU. Oxford-AstaZeneca produce large amounts of Vaccine in India, it’s cheaper to employ people there so the shareholders make more profit, and India have larger facilities so can produce more vaccine quickly.

It is the shipments due from India (which last time I checked is not in the EU) being withheld that is causing us problems. Due to outbreaks in India, India are keeping this vaccine to treat their own population before others. Which is exactly what the U.K. is doing so we can hardly criticise them, can we?

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/18/uk-covid-vaccine-supply-hit-as-rise-in-indian-cases-diverts-doses-closer-to-home

@EerieSilence

With all the EU blaming, this just made me laugh:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9375499/Coronavirus-UK-Vaccine-hold-caused-AstraZeneca-delivery-delay-Indian-factory.html

So yeah, either India just joined the monstrous evil EU or the former colony doesn't want to obey. The meanies. Hope Johnson and all EU blaming Mumsnet posters won't touch curry for a year now that it's time to boycott someone else.

You might want to read the thread. That, without the additional journalistic blether, has been discussed quite a bit already!

It wasn't difficult, given various press releases!

Yes scally we've been discussing just that for a while now!

Despite what the Murdoch press wants you to think, the shortage of vaccinations has nothing to do with the EU. Oxford-AstaZeneca produce large amounts of Vaccine in India, it’s cheaper to employ people there so the shareholders make more profit, and India have larger facilities so can produce more vaccine quickly.

Where do you get your facts from ? I don't think they normally produce vaccine in India. They have partnered with a pharmaceutical manufacturer in India (Serum Institute of India) specifically for the Covid vaccine. As they're not making any profit from this vaccine and see what their shareholders have got to do with it.

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