Vaccine supply about to significantly reduce

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Looks like Europe may have got their way

It took them 3 months to vaccinate 24 million people, (amazing without a shadow of doubt) but now the under 50s will now have to wait another 3 months to get their vaccine because someone didn’t do their maths properly and forgot that people are due their second dose and of the same vaccine brand.
Should have left it at three week interval as they could have easily predicted how much of each vaccine brand is needed for the second jab and kept the backlog small but now they have 12 weeks of backlog.

@Avondklok I think they will fit in fine and was to be expected for international travel the eu will want as much international travellers as safw

@CovidHalloween since when did 4 weeks equal 3 months

@Abracadabra12345 not everyone who is clinically vulnerable is in those groups though, the majority of asthmatics are not in group 6, despite being classed as clinically vulnerable since last March, and being at greater risk of hospitalisation or long Covid.

And the expectations have come from the publicised big boost in supply from this week, and repeated headlines about how soon over 40s were going to be vaccinated. This was a story just a few days ago. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/12/exclusive-vaccines-40s-easter-bumper-boost-supplies/ Plus when the government announced groups below 9, there was no indication it would be after a pause

Reading tomorrow's front pages there are a number of issues.

Firstly the uk was due to get 10 million AZ doses from India but only 5 million have turned up with the rest delayed 4 weeks.

The Moderna was supposed to be coming in mid April but the delivery is 20% down on what was previously expected.

Pfizer is more interesting. The Times reports that there are delays of orders. But the Telegraph says that Pfizer is the only one keeping to schedule.

Plus you have the EU factor where priority of Pfizer will have to go to second doses.

@Avondklok but the eu doesn't own those companies either and uk have only had pfizer so far

Of course not.I am responding to replies here.

the whole point of my post was that I actually think the language coming out of the EU commission especially has meant that the UK cannot supply AZ from UK sites until our contracts have been filled

I think a compromise could have been made previously but unfortunately she has come out fighting right from the start and has made that difficult

There was never going to be any sort of coop between the EU and UK, Weeks ago, Govt ministers made it clear we would vaccinate ALL of our (adult) population before supplying vaccine to anyone else.

@Eccle80 maybe the papers need to hold of a little , we are still on target and people need to also remember than , delays in vaccines was always a possibility

This is what Dmail says
“ And Downing Street insisted that any potential shortages would not derail Mr Johnson’s roadmap for easing the lockdown.
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@3asAbird England.

@EasterIssland hopefully this link works

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@jasjas1973 they also said after the last eu issue that they would discuss with eu
What I don't understand is why we were expecting az from india , are az behind here as well ?

My point is, it's absolutely fine for other countries to have issues, it's all their own fault, but not U.K. U.K. issue is they used all the vaccines trying to jab as many people as possible and made promises, not taking the 2nd dose into consideration. And now people are upset, understandably.

They always knew they had to have enough vaccine for 2nd doses and for mop up of previous group and to continue roll-out to the next age group down. All 3 of those things were always expected to happen simultaneously.

It’s hard to believe there was a counting error and now suddenly have just found out how many need 2nd dose or how many mop ups are needed. That can’t be the issue. It must be to do with supply...but not a minor lumpy supply issue that reduces the no of new vaccines to a new age cohort a bit, but a major supply issue which means it totally has to be halted for up to 6 weeks.

Hancock was decisively uncomfortable today. He was shifty and unconvincing in trying to explain it as just being that mop up was needed of previous unvaccinated form 1-9 and 2nd doses. He wasn’t prepared to answer or address the issue of the next group (and subsequent groups) being delayed by 6 weeks in terms of being able to book. He was very uncomfortable and clearly knew the explanations weren’t convincing.

And this was the day when he wanted to trumpet 25m vaccines and all of group 9 being eligible to book. These were big announcements and totally spoiled by him also having to throw in that 40s wouldn’t follow 50s in the way all other age groups have previously followed the last one. They tried to skirt over it, but people could see this was a major delay...but no explanation other than lumpy supply. This is a damn sight more of an issue than lumpy supply which reduces jabs by perhaps 100,000 per day. It’s a total halt to vaccinating a new age group.

Middleager - just one isolation at the end of December

Yes, key point is later groups for vaccine were mentioned as 40s, and zero mention ever that there would be a pause between the last group and them.

It is a step change in the programme. Totally out of the blue.

Wombat I don't believe this is a lumpy supply issue. More that they didn't plan it properly.

@Avondklok I don't think that is the case , further down someone has explained several delays in vaccines which will always have an impact , so the jabs you have you use for 2nd jabs and to make sure those considered in the most vulnerable are also all offered

Don't often agree with you but you are spot on

Reposting this in case anyone missed it - @jasjas1973 and I actually agree on something! Never thought I’d see the day

I can only assume she’s been on the

I can't because I am in the EU.

that explains a lot of your posts.

Where did everyone get that they were doing the over 40's all in april anyway , we have only just opened up to the over 50's
My mum is 64 and she is only just getting hers this week

The next few weeks are literally going to be the only time when being over 50 makes someone slightly safer than their 40-something friends, after a year of us over 50s being constantly reminded that we're the ones who are more at risk. I don't personally feel I'm all right Jack about it at all - if I got to choose, I'd still rather choose to be younger than the age I am now, even if it meant I didn't get the vaccine for a few more weeks, even if I was only put back to 49. (I might feel differently if I was male, but that small age difference would be all I'd need to be back the right side of the menopause, and it seems that might help in fighting the virus.) Having said that, I can completely understand why people had their hopes up and now feel upset about it.

@WombatChocolate Agree. MH was totally uncomfortable. Huge amount of flannel about successful roll-out and didn’t mention anything else until challenged by the BBC. Tried to make it sound like a standard letter. If that is the case then why have some people’s second dose been postponed. Surely that would be the priority?

This is the change. It is sudden and it’s unexplained. Both Pfizer and A-Z say no delays to their expected supplies to UK. So it is hard to see wher the issue has come from and gov hasn’t said.

This is what I don’t understand - why are we not being told what has caused the delay? Does anyone know what has caused it?