Vaccine supply about to significantly reduce

[DareIask]

Looks like Europe may have got their way

EU also has contracts with these companies.

@Dongdingdong

To summarise: we were ahead of schedule, we’re now back on schedule and are still on track to meet the mid April target for the top 9 priority groups.

Talk about a storm in a teacup!

Don't often agree with you but you are spot on :)

@Avondklok its best to let countries sort out with the companies themselves and how I read it as long as eu get as promised all is ok

Don't often agree with you but you are spot on

We are out numbered but yep I agree and I am a 40 something 😉

@Avondklok

And I agree with UVL. Why should U.K. be vaccinating under 40s without risk factors when other countries have not got the vaccines yet to do so? Unless us people in foreign climes are some how less important?

^this.

Europe needs cooperation and the UK needs to pack in this UK First nationalism.

@Avondklok the uk aren't vaccinating over 40's with no risk factors as a rule , only just moved onto over 50's but we also are not doing some professions as priority like the eu so its swings and roundabouts

Done, I agree with you. But the rhetoric is all evil EU stealing/blocking vaccines.

@jasjas1973 also what needs to be remember is the uk may of jabbed more people as such but we have larger gaps and have taken that gamble to get more people done

Dongdingdong - i would prefer to be in European country because the reason we are at risk is school. And here in england the primary have 0 effective measures. So we are more likely to catch again in next few weeks than if dc were at school in europe or anywhere else in the world really! We are at much higher risk of catching it that many older uk people. I think that is people's annoyance we want to be careful but will catch anyway, not helped by idiot classmates having parties and play dates etc.
And the fact the country will be opened up before 'we' are vaxxed. Including everyone flooding to pubs etc etc. All the kids at easter holiday clubs.

I think we should be happy with where we are with the vaccination programme so far and its important we start getting the 2nd jabs done .
There just not enough jabs to go round but we are further than many so should be thankful for that

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@jasjas1973 also what needs to be remember is the uk may of jabbed more people as such but we have larger gaps and have taken that gamble to get more people done [/quote]
Don't disagree but we share the same continent and the UK will not flourish with a mainland where CV runs rife.

Bojo may be focusing on Asia but the reality is we need to focus on Europe first.... history teaches us that when we don't, we get into trouble.

@Avondklok

No, that is not the rhetoric but there you are again posting statements like that and therefore fuelling it.

@HSHorror but generally unless your in an at risk group the risk is smaller and they are encouraging parents to test etc and schools can bring in some measures themselves to help

Avon the whole point of my post was that I actually think the language coming out of the EU commission especially has meant that the UK cannot supply AZ from UK sites until our contracts have been filled.

I think a compromise could have been made previously but unfortunately she has come out fighting right from the start and has made that difficult.

We also have a contract and we are supposed to get doses from the EU supply chain (which we in part developed) but its not going to happen.

I suggest you have a look at what the Oxford guys say about the vaccine development and supply chain on Twitter. It might help you understand a little about why there are so much frustration in the UK. Its not about it being a British vaccine, but its about the UK govt actively working with Oxford Uni and subsequently AZ to develop this vaccine, set up manufacturing throughout the world, provide the process for making it as long as sold at cost price. The EU were not involved in this at all. They came in late, and are being a rather demanding customer. I can understand frustrations at AZ, but it's not really the fault of the UK.

We are in Wales, DH is 55 and he’s not had an invite yet despite being on meds for high blood pressure (the doctor surgery said that doesn’t make him fall into the vulnerable category) yet we both know of younger people who have been vaccinated.

So bloody annoying, I’m 47 and we’ve both gone out to work in factories the whole past year, we feel so fortunate that we’ve not caught it so far, even with our adult son going out to work every day and DD in 6th form, we’ve all thankfully managed to avoid it.

We were so hopeful that the vaccine may be given very soon, we felt like a light was at the end of a long tunnel - now that’s been snatched away. Just hope Sod’s law doesn’t mean one of us will catch it over the next few weeks now.

@jasjas1973 I think in real terms they are not actually that far behind as they are focussing on 2 jabs and both countries will prob be very similar in most vulnerable elderly having 2 jabs
My 87 nan had her first jab but 2nd jab not until may I think
So an 87 year old in eu may have first one now but will have 2nd one prob similar time
No news on any other vaccines being approved ? That would help hugely if a couple more become approved

Just seen a news video on Facebook saying that the restrictions could be in place for a month longer due to vaccine delays, so until the end of July.

@Ousted is wales different to england on being able to book online ? I guess they are as health is dissolved matter I think
( although could be totally wrong)

@ThatchersCold lets just wait and see its not only the vaccine rollout thats being taken into consideration

The big talk today in Eu has been about the vaccine "passport" a digital thing that shows you are either vaccinated, immune, or Covid negative. They seem to want member states to make this available, like a QR on your phone, to open up safe travel within in the EU. I wonder how U.K. will fit in?

I think again, that the point is, that this is a significant change in what was expected and that’s what is disappointing to people.

People have understood the vaccine rollout to mean that a new age group is offered it AND those who haven’t had it from previous grouos are offered it (multiple offers if neeeded) AND those needing 2nd dose have it.

That is what has happened with 60s and 50s and was expected to happen next with 40s.

BUT, there has suddenly been a change and we are told that there won’t be a new age cohort being done alongside mop up of previous groups and 2nd jabs. That new age cohort will simply be ceased totally for a month and cannot book from today...so 6 weeks of delay to the rollout to new groups.

This is the change. It is sudden and it’s unexplained. Both Pfizer and A-Z say no delays to their expected supplies to UK. So it is hard to see wher the issue has come from and gov hasn’t said. They are trying to make it seem like the intention was always to mop up previous groups and do 2nd doses....well yes it was, but there was also the intention to continue the rollout at the same time (they knew the supplies needed to do all of this) and it is ONLY NOW that the delay is mentioned. This isn’t just a reduction or slowdown of the rollout to new group but a total stop for an extended period of time. It is significant and unexplained.

Late 40s expected to be able to book later this week or next. Now they can’t book until May which is 6-7 weeks in future. This also delays later groups too.

Yes, the overall timescale can still probably be met. But there has been loads in all of the media about speeding ahead and 40s being jabbed by Easter and so on. Many 40s have been watching the vaccine count rising and watching hem working through groups 1-9 and the message has been ‘group 10 , which is 40s will be next’. The message has never been ‘and the next group will only start after a significant delay’...this is a real step change in the whole programme, but they haven’t been prepared to announce it as this. Instead it is played down to lumpy supply. It is far more than that, because it is an entire age cohort rollout stopping for perhaps 5 weeks.

Yes, yes, everyone will get done. Yes yes, probably by the end of July (or maybe not) but for people who are back at work and a bit anxious, perhaps close to 50 and so health wise not really different to those in 50s, they felt their vaccine was almost in touching distance, and now it won’t be happening for another 6 weeks. Even if you aren’t worried about Covid, or can only see the programme is overall going well, or can only see the governments overall targets, surely you can see that there is a major step change today which has really thrown older 40s. And the key thing too is there was no sign of this coming or easing into it. It is so sudden and doesn’t fit with the previous plans and messaging and there is no explanation for it.

That letter to vaccine providers is very stark..they must not offer the vaccine to under 50s except if they essentially meet group 6 conditions. They must not make any further appointments available from now. They must only offer to those that need mopping up (relatively small numbers) and those needing 2nd dose (a growing number) but no new age group cohorts at all. That is a SERIOUS drop in vaccines available over a sustained period, compared to what was expected. How can that happen so suddenly and with no-one seeming to know about it coming? They want to downplay it, but it is a SERIOUS supply issue, because otherwise such a bold and major move to halt the rollout for an extended period wouldn’t happen.

@ThatchersCold

Just seen a news video on Facebook saying that the restrictions could be in place for a month longer due to vaccine delays, so until the end of July.

In England or Wales? I feel sadly some dates need to be put back as less than half nation vaccinated. I really feel sorry for teachers.

@Wakeupin2022

Avon the whole point of my post was that I actually think the language coming out of the EU commission especially has meant that the UK cannot supply AZ from UK sites until our contracts have been filled.

I think a compromise could have been made previously but unfortunately she has come out fighting right from the start and has made that difficult.

We also have a contract and we are supposed to get doses from the EU supply chain (which we in part developed) but its not going to happen.

I suggest you have a look at what the Oxford guys say about the vaccine development and supply chain on Twitter. It might help you understand a little about why there are so much frustration in the UK. Its not about it being a British vaccine, but its about the UK govt actively working with Oxford Uni and subsequently AZ to develop this vaccine, set up manufacturing throughout the world, provide the process for making it as long as sold at cost price. The EU were not involved in this at all. They came in late, and are being a rather demanding customer. I can understand frustrations at AZ, but it's not really the fault of the UK.

But Pfizer and Moderna and Janssen etc vaccines .....didn't come out of the U.K. It's like, yes we will take your AZ and Pfizer vaccines manufactured in EU thanks very much. Oh look, we now have an AZ factory here and you can fuck off

@ThatchersCold

Just seen a news video on Facebook saying that the restrictions could be in place for a month longer due to vaccine delays, so until the end of July.

Link ?

@Avondklok

"Von der Leyen said the EU had received more than 300 requests for overseas vaccine shipments over the past six weeks and refused just one, and the bloc had exported 41m doses to 33 countries. “This shows that Europe is trying to make international cooperation work,” she said. “But open roads run in both directions … It is hard to explain to our citizens why vaccines produced in the EU are going to other countries that are also producing vaccines, but hardly anything is coming back.” Von der Leyen said the bloc had exported 10m doses to the UK in the past six weeks, making it “country number one as far as exports from the EU is concerned”. But while the UK was producing AstraZeneca vaccines, and “there are even two sites in the UK that are in our contract for potential deliveries for the EU … we’re still waiting for doses to come from the UK. So this is an invitation for reciprocity.” The majority of vaccines exported from the EU to the UK have been made by Pfizer, which distributes globally from its European production sites. The EU has blocked only one export request, a shipment of 250,000 Oxford/AstraZeneca doses from Italy to Australia."

I understand what she's saying but unfortunately the EU negotiating supply of vaccinations dithered around when signing a contract and striking a deal and didn't want to commit to Pre orders of vaccinations. They didn't want to pay for Pre-orders and wanted to wait for trials to end. Whereas the UK signed a contract and did commit to Pre orders and struck a good deal. The UE did not. We shouldn't be penalised for making that decision and having good business sense to negotiate a good deal. The EU can't then turn around and say they aren't happy with that, sorry you aren't getting the vaccinations we want them.