Vaccine supply about to significantly reduce

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Looks like Europe may have got their way

littlepattilou

Overload of Daily Mail reading here.

Be patient - and, maybe, just a little bit grateful - you’ll all get your jabs.

This. But it’ll fall on deaf ears on this thread.

limit yes, the lateral flows are probably keeping it in check. But they're not due to continue after Easter.

Cos. You. Are. Missing. The. Effing. Point.

[quote Dongdingdong]@RedToothBrush perhaps you should be thankful you don’t live in the EU, where many people who are old and vulnerable are still waiting for their first dose.

Back in January there were plenty of people on MN saying the UK should divert its excess supplies to the EU and that younger people here should wait. Now the under 50s are upset because they’re not getting their jab next week. You couldn’t make it up.[/quote]
No there weren't.

There was hardly anyone saying this.

This is made up nonsense.

I agree with the dishonesty comment. I was seriously puzzled just HOW vaccines were going to be delivered to all adults as early as they were stating. The cynic in me does not believe the vaccines are not available.
To achieve the rollout, they would need to double efforts made over the past three months to ensure 1st and 2nd doses are given. Just who was expected to give them? NHS staff were overtretched to deliver initially. Currently, many are now expected to return to 'normal' duties- services dormant for the past year are starting to re-open, and there is a massive backlog of patients that need to be seen. Loads of 'extra' staff were drafted in from retirement and transferred from other services such as dentistry and outpatients/physio etc. They will be going back, or re-retiring. Others are just plain knackered, are overdue annual leave, and fed up with doing overtime. There will now be higher rates of sickness now the 'crisis' is over. Just WTF. Simple maths and common sense would have predicted that it just could not be done. And, lets not forget just how much 'altruism' is expected and enforced on to the nursing and care professions. Managers get financial rewards for reaching targets. Nurses/care workers do not, and despite what is bandied about in the press, they cannot strike.

[quote Dongdingdong]@RedToothBrush perhaps you should be thankful you don’t live in the EU, where many people who are old and vulnerable are still waiting for their first dose.

Back in January there were plenty of people on MN saying the UK should divert its excess supplies to the EU and that younger people here should wait. Now the under 50s are upset because they’re not getting their jab next week. You couldn’t make it up.[/quote]
As I pointed out earlier there ARE many elderly and vulnerable here in the UK still waiting for their first dose!

Cos. You. Are. Missing. The. Effing. Point.

@RedToothBrush the point being what exactly? So you have to wait a couple of weeks longer for your vaccine. If we’d diverted our supplies to the EU back in January as some were calling for in here (were you one of them?) you’d be waiting a hell of a lot longer. And if you lived in an EU country you’d also be waiting a hell of a lot longer!

[quote Dongdingdong]@RedToothBrush perhaps you should be thankful you don’t live in the EU, where many people who are old and vulnerable are still waiting for their first dose.

Back in January there were plenty of people on MN saying the UK should divert its excess supplies to the EU and that younger people here should wait. Now the under 50s are upset because they’re not getting their jab next week. You couldn’t make it up.[/quote]
There have always been the divert lot but not many. I don’t think people have changed their minds, it’s just different posters.

It is good we’re going quickly in U.K. I agree. It’s a long year and sometimes news is a bit of a blow even if the news beforehand was an unexpected good thing against longer schedules.

How old are you? out of curiosity

As I pointed out earlier there ARE many elderly and vulnerable here in the UK still waiting for their first dose!

@Trampslikeu do you have any evidence for this please? The booking system is open to all of them so I’m not sure why that would be. Plus the take-up stats paint a very different picture to what you’re claiming.

Not every group 6 can book online we have been told wait for GP to contact. England has been much better than other area. Wales only doing some 60s this week.

The timing of this on the same day they opened up the national booking site in England to all over 50s is so strange, too. If they're concerned about having enough supply for all 2nd doses in the coming weeks, they could have slowed down the process much earlier (and thus pushed back the need for second doses quickly) and still met the mid-April target.

We've got enough people vaccinated now and enough with natural immunity now that we are all a lot safer than we were in January.

Of course there is still a reasonable chance that we can catch the virus but not as high as before. We also will have better medical care available to us because of the greatly reduced hospitalizations.

It's hard to be patient when you've got severe health anxiety and have barely left the house in the past 12 months.

@NopeJustNope

I agree with the dishonesty comment. I was seriously puzzled just HOW vaccines were going to be delivered to all adults as early as they were stating. The cynic in me does not believe the vaccines are not available. To achieve the rollout, they would need to double efforts made over the past three months to ensure 1st and 2nd doses are given. Just who was expected to give them? NHS staff were overtretched to deliver initially. Currently, many are now expected to return to 'normal' duties- services dormant for the past year are starting to re-open, and there is a massive backlog of patients that need to be seen. Loads of 'extra' staff were drafted in from retirement and transferred from other services such as dentistry and outpatients/physio etc. They will be going back, or re-retiring. Others are just plain knackered, are overdue annual leave, and fed up with doing overtime. There will now be higher rates of sickness now the 'crisis' is over. Just WTF. Simple maths and common sense would have predicted that it just could not be done. And, lets not forget just how much 'altruism' is expected and enforced on to the nursing and care professions. Managers get financial rewards for reaching targets. Nurses/care workers do not, and despite what is bandied about in the press, they cannot strike.

I agree with you in part, but a lot of centres have spare capacity at the moment and have been struggling to book enough people in. It’s possible that government don’t want to pay extra hours anymore though, I’ve heard of people no longer being given shifts.

[quote ivykaty44]@Figrollface they delayed ordering their supply by 3 months and now want someone else supply who ordered much earlier and thus the cultures were grown for them and had hiccups along the way

only yesterday countries in the EU are stopping vaccinating with AZ but now want it even though they think its possibly dangerous

they've made a fuck up and are looking around for an escape route[/quote]
Again and again! This is not what is happening!

@Dongdingdong

As I pointed out earlier there ARE many elderly and vulnerable here in the UK still waiting for their first dose!

@Trampslikeu do you have any evidence for this please? The booking system is open to all of them so I’m not sure why that would be. Plus the take-up stats paint a very different picture to what you’re claiming.

Many people are not able to get to vaccination centres disabled housebound including both of my parents in their 80's who are still waiting for their first dose in Sussex, (south coast of England) not in the middle of nowhere.

Again and again! This is not what is happening!

You keep saying that. If you are so well informed then what is happening?

I wasn't worried when I saw the news because I hadn't seen anything previously to contradict it so I wasn't surprised. I can see why, if you were expecting to get a vaccine soon and you are someone who is worried about Covid, this is disappointing.

I'm only late 30s so I hadn't even looked at when I would be offered a vaccine. I have been assuming learly June. In my head it was:
Jan - Apr - Groups 1-9
Apr - May - Second doses
May - June - 40s
June - 30s
July - 20s

But if people in their 40s really thought they would be getting it this side of Easter (I think it's pretty irresponsible of whatever media or health sources told them that) then yeah, this is pretty big and crushing news.

@Akire

Not every group 6 can book online we have been told wait for GP to contact. England has been much better than other area. Wales only doing some 60s this week.

Aneurin bevan doing 50s as have family in Wales.

i dont get it some countries dont even want az so why are we being delayed over it

There are still a lot of vulnerable people from group 6 and their carers who are not vaccinated. Online booking moved to over 50s but not everyone in group 6 is able to book online so they are basically left behind. Considering this I would welcome a pause to focus on these people rather than moving to healthy people in their 30s and 40s.
Also I think they need to focus on second doses, it will require significant effort as well.

How old are you? out of curiosity

Who, me? I’m in my 40s and haven’t had the vaccine yet. But I’m happy to wait my turn (if it’s a few weeks longer than expected then so be it) and am pleased that so many elderly and vulnerable people have had their first dose.

My mum had hers last week mid 60s some areas are slow.

And the other side of the story:

www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0317/1204536-eu-vaccine/