Ireland halting the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine

[Kaylasmum49]

This just came up on my phone. I had the AZ vaccine 10 days ago. I'm concerned about the news of blood clotting issues.

@MRex thank you!

I hadn't caught up with the AZ trial.

@Nerdygirl

Well said *@strivingforjustice*. The insults at people expressing a concern especially after governments have suspended the vaccine while they investigate is beyond comprehension. People have a right to decide what gets put in their body and a right to express concerns

Clearly not a nerdy enough girl to actually bother to read the actual facts?

[quote MRex]@bumbleymummy - children will have vaccines available this year. If a lot of people decide not to vaccinate then there will not be enough vaccinated for herd immunity, whereas if all adults get vaccinated there is herd immunity without even needing to vaccinate children. The difference between you and a child, is that you are making a conscious choice that the risk to others doesn't matter to you. You also don't seem to be aware that a proportion of young "healthy" people are still dealing with long covid fatigue, new onset diabetes, lung issues and other issues many months after their covid infections. Death is not the only risk to you, nor to those around you. You might find it illuminating to read a long covid thread and see what people are dealing with day to day.[/quote]
Don’t assume that because people make different decisions to you that they are ill informed or unaware of information.

Whether a risk is ‘intentional’ or not makes little difference to the person contracting the virus. It won’t matter if they contract it from their child coming home from school, the vaccinated person who didn’t develop immunity or the person who chose not to be vaccinated.

Again, people who contract the virus and recover are also contributing to herd immunity. There are several studies published and in preprint showing that natural immunity lasts for several months.

And ‘autumn’ isn’t June. So no, children will not be vaccinated en masse by the time restrictions are lifted.

The worry is the EMA meet today declare dafe and several European countries ignore.
Then what they complete undermine and don't trust their own regulatory authority.
I read different sources ema may approve Russian vaccine next some European countries using it with EMA authorisation.

@bumbleymummy

And ‘autumn’ isn’t June. So no, children will not be vaccinated en masse by the time restrictions are lifted.

Ah! I see. That's why June!

But kids are in schools, out in the open, all over the place right now. And that's part of the road map isn't it?

And social distancing won't stop in June!

As I have said a few times now.. it's an ever changing picture, a progressive one.

@bumbleymummy - 18% of the population are under 16, 82% is more than enough for herd immunity. It's a simple bit of maths.

[quote MRex]@bumbleymummy - 18% of the population are under 16, 82% is more than enough for herd immunity. It's a simple bit of maths.[/quote]
My thanks for the simple maths

[quote MRex]@bumbleymummy - 18% of the population are under 16, 82% is more than enough for herd immunity. It's a simple bit of maths.[/quote]
The deadline in uk for under 40s to 18 to have thier vaccine is 31st July i assume that just 1st dose.
I can't imagine under 18s with underlying helath conditions will get vaccines until early 2022.

The MHRA, which collects reports of side-effects on drugs and vaccines in the UK through its “yellow card” scheme, told the Guardian it had received more notifications up until 28 February of blood clots on the Pfizer/BioNTech than the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine – 38 versus 30 - although neither exceed the level expected in the population

“Such reports are not proven side effects of the vaccine,” a spokesman said. “Blood clots can occur naturally and are not uncommon.”

From this article

Makes you wonder, doesn't it, why the focus is on the AZ vaccine and not the Pfizer one?

[quote MRex]@bumbleymummy - 18% of the population are under 16, 82% is more than enough for herd immunity. It's a simple bit of maths.[/quote]
‘More than enough’ and many of those people are already immune after recovering from infection.

As I said we can agree to disagree. Personally I am happy they are taking it seriously with a slight pause to do so. The cases in Norway are extremely unusual (unusual clotting and symptoms in younger people). It us a cluster of unusual symptoms and death related to a specific batch of vaccine, a batch we have in Ireland.

The fact that you are happy that they have paused does not mean it was a political decision. If the caution is over a specific batch why are they not just pausing that batch and looking closely at one batch? The fact they have paused all AstraZeneca vaccines despite the fact that thrombosis cases are no higher among vaccinated people than in the general population and no higher than after Pfizer vaccines does not suggest actual evidence is involved in the decision. It's all about pleasing people and probably a good excuse for being slow with the vaccine rollout.

was a political decision. Was not a political decision

@BIWI

The MHRA, which collects reports of side-effects on drugs and vaccines in the UK through its “yellow card” scheme, told the Guardian it had received more notifications up until 28 February of blood clots on the Pfizer/BioNTech than the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine – 38 versus 30 - although neither exceed the level expected in the population

“Such reports are not proven side effects of the vaccine,” a spokesman said. “Blood clots can occur naturally and are not uncommon.”

From this article

Makes you wonder, doesn't it, why the focus is on the AZ vaccine and not the Pfizer one?

Because the cases in Norway are presenting with highly unusual symptoms and are much younger than you would typically expect to see.

Because the cases in Norway are presenting with highly unusual symptoms and are much younger than you would typically expect to see.

The symptoms are not highly unusual for Covid symptoms. As millions of people have been vaccinated it would hardly be surprising if some of them actually have Covid already. The Norwegian people were healthcare workers and whilst under 50, that doesn't mean they were particularly young. They may have been late 40s.

@CuriousaboutSamphire no not an anti vaxxer at all and all my children are fully vaccinated thanks . My point was about people being abused for wanting to be cautious . Many countries are expressing caution, why is it not ok for an individual to do so

@BIWI

The MHRA, which collects reports of side-effects on drugs and vaccines in the UK through its “yellow card” scheme, told the Guardian it had received more notifications up until 28 February of blood clots on the Pfizer/BioNTech than the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine – 38 versus 30 - although neither exceed the level expected in the population

“Such reports are not proven side effects of the vaccine,” a spokesman said. “Blood clots can occur naturally and are not uncommon.”

From this article

Makes you wonder, doesn't it, why the focus is on the AZ vaccine and not the Pfizer one?

Pfizer too and "they" dare not say it?

No idea.

And I dont know why the EU itself says AZ is safe re blood clots etc, but individual countries are not going by that.
Or do I have that wrong?

Even the French and Italians are admitting it was a political decision.......

The facts are that AZ has been suspended and people are concerned and should not be made to feel anti vax and attacked . Shutting down peoples concerns and creating an environment where people cannot express things even if you don’t agree with it is not a free society

Yes the experimental end date is 2023. Feel free to look it up.

People have every right to express their concerns. But it would be much better if said people would take responsibility to find out the facts.

And you have a whole thread here - 821 message - of people freely expressing their views.

The obvious anti-vaxxers have been deleted, because MNHQ (along with other social media sites) have a duty of responsibility not to promote misleading information about the vaccines.

Two of them were between 50 and 60 according to reports I've seen so not that young really either. One may have been in thirties I think. We have no information yet (that I've seen) on whether they had underlying health conditions / had been exposed to covid recently / also tested positive for covid / were on the contraceptive pill / were on other medication like NSAID painkillers which are known to affect blood clotting / were smokers / were on blood pressure medication / had heart conditions etc - that's what they'll ascertain during the pause, I guess, which seems fair enough to me, even if there is a political component.

If they prove no statistically significant link it only strengthens the vaccine position. If they find some obsucre set of circumstances that contributed, they know to look out for them in the future and advise those few individuals to have a different vaccine - like they are advising some people with a history of anaphylaxis not to have the Pfizer vaccine. Win win.

[quote Nerdygirl]@CuriousaboutSamphire no not an anti vaxxer at all and all my children are fully vaccinated thanks . My point was about people being abused for wanting to be cautious . Many countries are expressing caution, why is it not ok for an individual to do so[/quote]
My comment to you was based on your response to the post, now deleted, that suggested we all read the outpourings of well known anti vaxxers.

I was checking to see if you had taken time to see what you were agreeing with?

I have not seen any reports of ' strokes'. I have only seen reports of Deep Veinous Thrombosis ( DVT) and pulmonary embolism.

@Ladybeard2

Yes the experimental end date is 2023. Feel free to look it up.

I haven't got any laughs left for shite like this.

It's irresponsibleanto vaxxer bollocks! I assume you've been listengn to the “Old Man In A Chair” or his other acolytes!

Be ashamed!