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Ireland halting the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine

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Kaylasmum49 · 14/03/2021 09:50

This just came up on my phone. I had the AZ vaccine 10 days ago. I'm concerned about the news of blood clotting issues.

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Peppafrig · 16/03/2021 02:56

My arm is sore but I kept tensing my arm and she warmed me multiple times but I couldn’t relax it. Could you have been tensing your arm too

pam290358 · 16/03/2021 06:32

I saw one of the scientists involved with the Oxford AstraZenica vaccine in interview yesterday. What he seemed to be saying was that this is a such a massive program of vaccination that it will undoubtedly include those people in the population who would have developed naturally occurring blood clots, and that it shouldn’t be assumed that this is necessarily down to the vaccines themselves. Having had Covid a few weeks ago, which developed a few days after the first part of my AstraZenica vaccination, this news has not put me off having the second part. This is a vile disease and I don’t think this issue should be enough to derail the vaccination program.

MRex · 16/03/2021 06:55

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum

The oxford/AZ is showing similar results to Pfizer if you give the 10 to 12 week gap for antibodies to build up

I think J&J is still around 65%.

Janssen was 100% effective against death and 85% effective against hospitalisation. 72% effective in the US. It's running a trial in South Africa that affected their efficacy giving 57%, bear in mind no other company except Novovax has done a large SA trial since the new SA variant became widespread. abc11.com/johnson-and-vaccine-covid-pfizer/10379441/
pam290358 · 16/03/2021 07:14

@Ladybeard2. Having had Covid a few weeks ago, I would urge you to rethink. My partner and I both had what our GP later described as ‘moderate to severe’ symptoms and although we avoided hospitalisation, the experience was truly awful and not one I would ever want to repeat.

Covid is not just flu like symptoms, although that’s how it starts off. We are both early sixties and our symptoms amongst others, included a horrible, raw, measles like rash all over arms and upper torso, a cough that takes your breath away - coughing fits which come in waves before you’ve got your breath back from the last lot. There was constant nausea, diarrhoea and dreadful muscle aches. We both also had constant, drenching night sweats because of the high temperature. Then there’s the fear that goes with it, because the symptoms gradually get worse over about seven to ten days and you don’t know how bad they will get.

Now, a few weeks later, we are both still left with significant symptoms - including horrible body aches in which you feel really heavy, nausea, breathing difficulties and we both have secondary chest infections requiring antibiotics. We also have exhaustion, the like of which I have never felt before - everything is an effort and the smallest task leaves you tired and wheezing. Even the way I breathe seems different - the air doesn’t seem to reach my lungs the same, and we are both beginning to feel the mental health effects - depression and anxiety about the future and how to cope with the debilitating after effects. We are both CEV and were shielding for 12 months. We were really careful - no one came in or out, shopping was done on the internet, sprayed and left in the porch after delivery and we took lots of precautions. I thought we were safe. Then my partner had to go into hospital for surgery. On admission he tested positive on a lateral flow test. This turned out to be a false positive as two follow up PCR tests confirmed, but by then it was too late as he had been placed on a Covid ward and exposed to the virus.

I’m sorry to go on, and I really didn’t intend to relate our whole experience here, but no matter how careful you are, and despite the best practice in prevention, sometimes circumstances take these things out of your control I really believe that vaccination is the only way we can combat it and I would urge everyone to think twice before refusing. Without vaccination, we would be living in a world where smallpox, polio, measles etc., would be commonplace. Thankfully, these awful diseases have mostly been consigned to the past. I really don’t understand those who don’t want to do the same to Covid.

lightand · 16/03/2021 07:15

@Ladybeard2

I'm unsure which vaccine my cousin had as we rarely talk these days. But his daughter said he was very poorly after and had a mini stroke. At least we still have a choice, and I'm choosing to wait until the experiment period is over, which is 2023.
Are you saying "the experimental period" is 2023, because that would be two years since the vaccine was first used on the general public?
lllllllllll · 16/03/2021 07:23

Excellent post @pam290358 - I really hope it will make the foolish vaccine refusers think twice, for their sakes. Wishing you and your DH a full recovery soon x

strivingforjustice · 16/03/2021 07:36

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Radyward · 16/03/2021 07:37

The only vaccine i am skeptical of is J and J due to its efficacy at 56% . If thats Irelands plan to put all our eggs in the J and J basket we will be half in half out of LD for years !! I am aware its been halted for 1 week but the danage to AZ rep is shocking. All we hear in ireland regarding restriction easing is careful / cautious / might /may / tread carefully / only a few weeks more FGS they are applying these to the shambles of a roll out. Come on.saving face and to be seen to do the right thing /holier than thou act from nphet seens to be more important than saving lives / seeing the bigger picture / applying common sence. Flouting EMA and the WHO and UK evidence. People have a right to make up their own.minds which seens to be continually forgotten about by the irish CMO.
every drug has side effects and adverse reactions. I know so many in ireland who would say if you dont want it/i will !! Its nightmarish here and fo posters saying its not about Brexit. Ah here,the EU couldnt love the fact the uk is nearly at 30 million first doses and stats speak for themselves. Anyone remember article 50 a few weeks ago ???

Blessex · 16/03/2021 07:42

The whole thing is a shit show. The number of cases of blood clots of those vaccinated is actually LOWER than would be expected in general population so there is even an argument that the vaccine REDUCES the risk of blood clots. I am just praying that this posturing by certain countries doesn’t throw the U.K. off track. Vaccination is the only way out of this.

PierreBezukov · 16/03/2021 07:49

I'm shocked that ROI has done this. Vaccine roll-out in NI is on a par with rest of UK and 50s are now being vaccinated.

In the south they're months and months behind and now pissing about suspending perfectly good vaccines for political point scoring? It's shocking.

I don't know what's going to happen at the border when we're all vaccinated and they're not. I'll be livid if it keeps us in lockdown for longer than we need to be.

Radyward · 16/03/2021 07:50

BJ has dates set and has to deliver or else he and his party will be toast!!!! No let up in vaccine drive in uk though some more of the pop will refuse AZ now i would imaginr. Is this whats at play here. Puts miss marples hat on -is it to screwover the UK vaccine to disrupt the uk roll out??? ...... hmmm............ Smile

Blessex · 16/03/2021 07:53

We should be thankful at least that the majority of the vulnerable in this country have had one dose so have some level of protection. It’s the vulnerable in the countries halting this vaccine that may now suffer.

minchinfin · 16/03/2021 07:55

How do they know that the people who developed blood clotting issues in Norway and Austria didn't have Covid shortly before being vaccinated? - which is known to cause severe blood clotting issues in many cases? They were all hospital workers right and so could have been subject to very high viral loads and maybe even have been asymptomatic if young. Can they tell the difference between vaccine mediated antibodies and ones that were formed as a result of having covid after the fact?

Radyward · 16/03/2021 07:58

@pierreBezukov I can see that happening then I think -Arlene foster will want to align with the rest of the UK. That would be so unfair on NI businesses and pop who have given up so much and has all worked to get the vaccine drive as good as it is.id say the ROI govt are shaking in their shoes at the queues of cars crissing the border when things open up and we are still in LD prison a few miles down rd. All that euro money gone up north - what. The southerners Shamed sbout going up like perfectly legitimate people at Dublin Airport are shamed. Omg finger pointing to the nth degree. I hope it does happen that newry and lisburn is bopping . Good for ye

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 16/03/2021 08:06

Bloody hell!

Experimental until 2023 - and from someone professing to be 'in the know and is daft enough tolink to a known foil hat wearing anto vaxxer - Sherri Tenpenny is an American osteopathic physician and anti-vaccination activist who supports the disproved hypothesis that vaccines cause autism. Fuck that shit!

And still nobody who supports the 'pauses' has answered the truly obvious question:

As Pfizer data is almost idential to AZ data why is there no pause of Pfizer vaccinations?

The data is either bad enough to warrant further investigation or it is not. And no, they don't all have the same batch of AZ!

CuriousaboutSamphire · 16/03/2021 08:12

Superb post.
Thank you

@EPhe17 did youeven check any of the names? The single link is to a well known anti-vaxx activist and osteopath!

Vernon Coleman - English conspiracy theorist, anti-vaccination activist, AIDS denialist

Dr Heiko Schoning - arrested at Speakers Corner for a speech about Covid that has been wiped from the internet!

Professor Dolores Cahill - a geneticis who resigned after making a couple of astounding claims about Covid

And on and on.

Are you and your DH also AIDS deniers, anti vaxxers and COvid conspiracists?

Nerdygirl · 16/03/2021 08:13

Well said @strivingforjustice. The insults at people expressing a concern especially after governments have suspended the vaccine while they investigate is beyond comprehension. People have a right to decide what gets put in their body and a right to express concerns

pinkearedcow · 16/03/2021 08:16

@Ladybeard2

I'm unsure which vaccine my cousin had as we rarely talk these days. But his daughter said he was very poorly after and had a mini stroke. At least we still have a choice, and I'm choosing to wait until the experiment period is over, which is 2023.
So do you know two people who have had a ministroke after the vaccine? because in your only other post if this site you said:

"I know two people who have had the jab, one has been suffering ill health since and was a very healthy lady. The other caught covid two days after and had a mini stroke "

So what caused the ministroke, the vaccine or covid? Or were these two different cases?

If you are going to post anti-vaxx scare stories at least make sure your stories are consistent.

pinkearedcow · 16/03/2021 08:16

on this site

CuriousaboutSamphire · 16/03/2021 08:16

@Nerdygirl

Well said *@strivingforjustice*. The insults at people expressing a concern especially after governments have suspended the vaccine while they investigate is beyond comprehension. People have a right to decide what gets put in their body and a right to express concerns
NO NO NO!

That whole post is an anti vaxx statement of intent!

At least have a look at the people being recommended to you before you leap in to agree with something.

Or are you too an anti vaxxer? There seem to be a lot of them arouns at the moment!

pinkearedcow · 16/03/2021 08:23

DH is a molecular biologist, geneticist and data scientist. We are quite frankly bemused and horrified by this whole situation

Oh my god, now I am panicking about having had the vaccine. Never mind what the EMA says, a MN and her DH are "bemused and horrified".

pinkearedcow · 16/03/2021 08:27

Michael Yeardon is a well known anti-vaxxer, BTW, who argued in an Oct. 16 blog post that the coronavirus pandemic is "effectively over" in the U.K., and that "there is absolutely no need for vaccines to extinguish the pandemic."

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20201129113931/lockdownsceptics.org/what-sage-got-wrong/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20201129113931/lockdownsceptics.org/what-sage-got-wrong/

TheKeatingFive · 16/03/2021 08:28

The problem with being anti Covid vaccines right now is what is your alternative?

Lockdown for years.

Letting it rip and seeing how the nhs fares.

Which?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 16/03/2021 08:28

Having looked at all of the names now every one of them is!

And we are supposed to take anything that poster says seriously, now we all know where they are comng from?

PSHAW!

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