Side Effects Returned After 2 Weeks Post Astrazeneca

[Lisalisaandcultjam]

I had my first Astrazeneca 16 days ago and that night and for almost a week I felt nauseated, pain left side above hip, headache, fluish.
These faded away and I was left with a very swollen arm.
2 days ago we noticed my arm was still in a big lump but bruising and tracking red around the outside.
Yesterday I awoke with a headache and the back pain had returned.
Today my guts are off again and I feel sick, abdominal pains and feel generally chappy just as I did 2 weeks ago.
There is absolutely no way I've caught anything as we've been incredibly strict and clean everything we receive and we haven't been in contact with anyone at all.
I'm just curious if anyone else had noticed anything similar.

It just seems illogical thinking to argue it would be better to “let it rip quickly” as per @dividedwefall ‘s suggestion for the actual virus if you are using that as an argument against the mass use of the vaccine, which is the ultimate best way of “letting it rip quickly” without anywhere near approaching the same magnitude of symptoms, deaths and long term illness as you would have had and still be having if you let the real thing “rip” (as ably demonstrated in Brazil, a country whose President believes in letting it rip and where it is still vigorously ripping). And keeping the world in lockdown also seems a bad idea. So - back to getting vaccinated, then, rather than being weirdly illogical, or not adequately explaining your apparent paranoia to those who think you are being illogical.

In all honesty, I think the people against getting the vaccine are just scared because getting vaccinated puts you deliberately at a tiny risk of severe consequences, rather than accidentally getting the real thing with worse consequences and they are too scared to do anything deliberately. Fear therefore makes these people minimise reports of severe illness in people with the real virus but maximise all reports of severe consequences from the vaccine, so as to give themselves an excuse for their irrationally large fears which are preventing them from being proactive. We thus get the self-same people disbelieving reports of severe illness in people who have been naturally infected and arguing this is just a tiny minority and insignificant, but believing all reports of any possible vaccine side effect and magnifying these to the point of believing that practically everyone who has the vaccine suffers dreadfully from it and may be getting any number of appalling diseases down the line as a consequence of their vaccination. To disbelieve a real disease will make you seriously ill, but believe a vaccine puts you in such severe danger that you just avoid it, is nutty imvho.

*must, not just

@Roonerspismed

Well if the vaccine works and you have had it, what’s it to you if I choose not to have it?

I barely know any kids who have exhibited symptoms of covid let alone long covid. Utter madness to vaccinate children annually for a disease that doesn’t affect them

There is a reason why many dog owners including me no longer vaccinate our dogs annually after the first few years - increasing autoimmunity, cancers and allergies in dogs and no one knows why. It’s great we can vaccinate our kids for many childhood diseases but let’s pause before this one shall we?

The vaccine does not work 100%, none do. But the more people who get it the less the chance that the people for whom the vaccine isn't effective don't. This is how herd immunity works and it only works if we get immunity in the population over a certain percentage - this then allows the R number to stay below one which will stop the pandemic.

For you, getting vaccinated really boils down to whether you've a selfish individual who only thinks about themselves or someone who thinks about others.

There is a reason why many dog owners including me no longer vaccinate our dogs annually after the first few years - increasing autoimmunity, cancers and allergies in dogs and no one knows why.

There is no science behind your statement here that vaccines are causing what you claim. I'm driven by science and the greater good.

It’s great we can vaccinate our kids for many childhood diseases but let’s pause before this one shall we?

No. As usual, the majority will be responsible. I don't want my child to contribute to an ongoing health disaster or worse someone's death. Because that would be utterly selfish and my family is not selfish - are yours? Neither do I wish for them to get covid and be exposed to the small risk they'll die or have long term health issues.

I’m afraid my primary responsibility is to my children and not to this idea of “common good” which as far as I’m concerned was fucked the moment we kept allowing travel last March. I didn’t want that to happen and to let it spread. That the government chose to was lamentable.

So now it’s here I will choose the best path for my children which is absolutely not
to vaccinate them against a disease which is of no consequence to them when young and will be when they are old unless they get it naturally. The older people around my children have all received one vaccine and once they receive another will be at minimal risk.

There is actually a very good argument to be made now for letting it gently go through our younger population now the more vulnerable are vaccinated and thus reaching herd immunity sooner and minimising death.

And there is increasing concern from vets about “over vaccination” so do your research.

None of us knows the long term consequences of annual vaccine for covid. For an older person the risk of covid far outweighs this but for a younger person we actually have no idea. It is the height of selfishness for society to expect our children to take a vaccine annually to protect them when they can choose a vaccine themselves

letting it gently go through our younger population

Aah, you make sound so lovely...the virus gently and harmlessly* wafting through the young people....

*disclaimer - except for those few medically vulnerable children (and the ocassional child with no underlying health conditions) who may suffer badly, get long Covid or possibly die.

Well vaccinate them surely as my friend had just done with her vulnerable teenage son for whom covid does present higher risk.

I think for most health, Young, people who are a healthy weight, covid will be mild and the media is responsible for a huge amount of terror in people as a result. I don’t doubt covid is very serious and long covid exists and people at risk should be vaccinated as soon as they can. In fact now vaccines are in short supply it would surely now make sense to vaccinate those who are obese now, even if they are 30 odd, rather than someone in their 40s who is lower risk. Makes no sense to me that we aren’t adopting a risk based approach. I would happily offer my vaccine to someone more at risk.

@Roonerspismed

I’m afraid my primary responsibility is to my children and not to this idea of “common good” which as far as I’m concerned was fucked the moment we kept allowing travel last March. I didn’t want that to happen and to let it spread. That the government chose to was lamentable.

So now it’s here I will choose the best path for my children which is absolutely not
to vaccinate them against a disease which is of no consequence to them when young and will be when they are old unless they get it naturally. The older people around my children have all received one vaccine and once they receive another will be at minimal risk.

There is actually a very good argument to be made now for letting it gently go through our younger population now the more vulnerable are vaccinated and thus reaching herd immunity sooner and minimising death.

And there is increasing concern from vets about “over vaccination” so do your research.

None of us knows the long term consequences of annual vaccine for covid. For an older person the risk of covid far outweighs this but for a younger person we actually have no idea. It is the height of selfishness for society to expect our children to take a vaccine annually to protect them when they can choose a vaccine themselves

My research comes from the BVA and RSPCA, both of which don't recognise what you're saying. Although a simple google search brings up the usual range of fringe and for-profit websites which I assume is where you've done your extensive research?

I'm sad you don't feel part of a society where the common good is a moral imperative. Just be glad that others before you didn't take such a selfish attitude, such as the people who died in the World Wars. They could easily have stood back and let others do the job, but they had a sense of responsibility that went beyond themselves.

Your comment about letting it rip through the young population really sums your position up - incapable of thinking more than one step ahead.

@Roonerspismed
Well vaccinate them surely as my friend had just done with her vulnerable teenage son for whom covid does present higher risk.

My son is 10, he can't be vaccinated yet, despite shielding all year (on the advice of his doctor rather than some media induced fear on our part).

I was responding to this idea of letting it gently go through the younger population - obviously if this happened there would be a number of deaths and young people suffering long term consequences in the under 16 population.

@MyAltAccount not wanting a brand new experimental vaccine under these circumstances doesn't make us bad citizens who don't care about the greater good.

Some of us give up significant amounts of our time to run charities for vulnerable people in society, care for elderly parents and disabled children, deliver shopping to older people that were scared to cross the doors for a year in our villages.

We also accepted having our freedom removed, our kid's lives constrained, our businesses closed and the making of seeing our families illegal for the greater good of society.

But because we won't play Russian roulette with our own health we are despicable, anti-social fiends who don't deserve to live in the society we contribute to in millions of other ways?

Some of us give up significant amounts of our time to run charities for vulnerable people in society, care for elderly parents and disabled children, deliver shopping to older people
You need to stop doing a lot of that if you aren't willing to try to remove yourself from the chain of transmission, particularly once we reduce mask wearing again. Your parents can make their own choices, but for strangers it's really much better to let others do it who aren't adding risk to the most vulnerable people.

@dividedwefall - why is having a vaccine playing Russian roulette, whereas volunteering and mixing with vulnerable people while unvaccinated against a virus the long term effects of which we know bugger all about isn’t?! Seems to me the vaccine is better controlled than the live virus, not the other way round.

With Russian roulette you have a 1 in 6 chance of blowing your brains out. Hardly the same.

@dividedwefall
I in no way think people who choose not be vaccinated are despicable, anti-social fiends who don't deserve to live in the society and I haven't seen them described with quite this much venom here or elsewhere - it is an individual choice.

I would, however, prefer it if someone who chose not be vaccinated didn't work or volunteer with my disabled child, at least until he can be vaccinated and afforded some protection, considering he has spent a whole year shielding!

@Dustyboots

I can’t believe how accepting so many people on this and other threads are of this vaccine and it’s side effects.

Do people not question or care about what is being injected into their bodies to create this kind of reaction. We’re all blindly accepting this. Why?

What makes you think we are ‘blindly’ accepting this? The overwhelming majority of people having the vaccine have had no side effects. I educated myself about the risk of a vaccine against the risk of having Covid. It’s absolutely clear where the greatest risk lies. Tell me again how many deaths there have been through Covid? Then through the vaccine? I’ll help you out - its 2.7 million vs 0

@Soontobe60 it's not zero and if you educated yourself about the risks based on those false statistics then your informed decision making is flawed. However if you want to get it, get it. Just don't post misleading statistics about the risks. I think we've had enough of fraudulent stats from the government this year.

[quote dividedwefall]@Soontobe60 it's not zero and if you educated yourself about the risks based on those false statistics then your informed decision making is flawed. However if you want to get it, get it. Just don't post misleading statistics about the risks. I think we've had enough of fraudulent stats from the government this year.[/quote]
Can you cite your evidence please because I’ve tried to ‘educate myself’ and find some, but there doesn’t seem to be any in the whole of the internet. Happy to be proven wrong.

@Roonerspismed since when are we even vaccinating kids

I would imagine @Roonerspismed is talking about a child over 16

• unless they are one of the very, very few over 12s and under 16s who are extremely vulnerable and spend time in residential care (when on a case by case basis they may be vaccinated off licence)

@Soontobe60 all adverse events that have been reported are included here www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting#annex-1-vaccine-analysis-print

Not all adverse reactions are reported, but not all reported reactions are related to the vaccine. However, there are more 500 deaths between the 2 vaccines so far. That's not to say it isn't low risk, just that it certainly ain't zero.

At what point does suffering from vaccine symptoms become a worry?
I'm due on Sunday. I'm 98% sure I had very mild covid a year ago, fatigue and lost smell etc.

I'm really nervous about this vaccine.. At one point do I worry?

I had covid nearly a year ago. My symptoms after the AstraZeneca vaccine (5 weeks ago) was the same as many people-headache and fatigue on day 2 and 3 , then fine afterwards. If that helps at all.

@Dustyboots

I can’t believe how accepting so many people on this and other threads are of this vaccine and it’s side effects.

Do people not question or care about what is being injected into their bodies to create this kind of reaction. We’re all blindly accepting this. Why?

Honestly, if you’d asked me 3 months ago if I would have the vaccine when offered i wouldn’t have hesitated and said ‘of course I will’

I completely put off now. Reading stories on here of people passing out and getting sick and headaches etc. I can’t face it. The thought of it terrifies me.

I’ve had Covid. Twice. The vaccine side effects sound worse than what I suffered. I’m mid 30s and healthy. Why the hell would I put myself through this voluntarily??

[quote dividedwefall]@Soontobe60 all adverse events that have been reported are included here www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting#annex-1-vaccine-analysis-print

Not all adverse reactions are reported, but not all reported reactions are related to the vaccine. However, there are more 500 deaths between the 2 vaccines so far. That's not to say it isn't low risk, just that it certainly ain't zero.[/quote]
I asked for evidence of deaths caused by the vaccine. I already know there are some side effects.

@Lisalisaandcultjam
Lots of people aged 55-75 in my area are having these long term - two weeks + - effects with the Astra. Seems to come and go, and lay people low with whatever they're prone to when run down/stressed. You are not scaremongering - its useful to know we're not alone in this. Please ignore those messages! There seem to be a whole range of illnesses from headaches, joint pain, depression etc. It appears to effect whatever your underlying weakness is. Which makes sense I guess, considering our bodies are laid-low whilst busy working on our immune systems. I personally know 4 women affected like this and each of those know others similarly long term unwell. Get well soon !

Thanks everyone again and thankyou @ClarySageTea, I really appreciate that. What you said in your reply makes a lot of sense indeed. Having the knowledge that you can expect this afterwards for a longer period is very reassuring - you can take feeling rough if you know it's nothing to worry about.

I think many people are scared in general at the moment and are more hypervigilant and it stands to reason with what we've all been living with for the past year. It also doesn't help when other nations are doubting the vaccine. I think it can be helpful to have discussions such as this because the information wasn't there before.

I remember I was equally worried when the swine flu vaccine was hurried through and no Dr, midwife or anyone would advise whether I should or shouldn't take it when I was 36 weeks pregnant and I had to make an on the spot decision.

However, there is no way of knowing how severely affected someone might be if they did get the virus and so despite feeling rough with the first dose and knowing what I know now, I'd still say yes to having the vaccine.