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What happens about the unvaccinated ?

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vera99 · 08/03/2021 03:06

There is a lot of speculation about how many will buy into the continuing vaccination program. Some has said 20% won't but I'm sure it will be less than that. We don't know any would be refuseniks. But say it's 10% and suppose Covid will become stronger and therefore potentially more lethal and troublesome will that not lead to many more deaths and hospitalisations amongst this cohort and by doing so threaten the capacity of the hospital's once again ? Hopefully not of course does anyone know of any modelling around that outcome. Therapeutics of course will be of importance to lessen any resultant disease and persuading the currently unpersuaded remains of paramount importance. The stick of no vaccine no travel or no entry will be a great persuader no doubt as well.

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ReasonableMum · 13/03/2021 19:30

I don't know what's the point of these threads. I feel like it attracts people with extreme views, on both sides. No one can predict future, but vaccine uptake in this country is extremely high and it's safe to say that it will be enough to create herd immunity. Why people feel they have a right to insult or belittle each other based on their views to take or refuse vaccine? For once I thought the last year would teach us some compassion and looking out for each other, but it's completely opposite. Thankfully majority of my friends and family are reasonable people and they will get vaccinated, but they will never exclude those that won't/can't and they don't feel the need to call other people stupid or ignorant. I really hope people with the views presented here are in small minority.

bumbleymummy · 13/03/2021 19:37

“ Thankfully majority of my friends and family are reasonable people and they will get vaccinated,...”

I was with you until this point. People deciding against the vaccine are unreasonable?

Parker231 · 13/03/2021 19:44

I volunteer one day a week as a vaccinator. Everyone I saw on Friday was very pleased that it was their turn. Some people said they’d been counting down the days since they received their appointment. I love the positive atmosphere there.

mybonnieliesovertheocean2 · 13/03/2021 20:00

Parker231 my son is trained as a vaccinator too however he works for a GP practice and they have found it a struggle to encourage people to take it, they end up calling round patients on there list and family members to come and get the vaccine to stop it going to waste. Those that do turn up are delighted...i certainly was when I was called on a sunday eve

Parker231 · 13/03/2021 20:03

mybonnie - I’m at one of the big centres which can manage large numbers. No difficulties in filling every slot. I heard last week that it will be getting even busier as they are booking first vaccine appointments and also those coming for their second. I had my first last Saturday.

ReasonableMum · 13/03/2021 20:05

@bumbleymummy
Yes, I think it is reasonable thing to do in this particular situation. It will definitely speed up re-opening and with majority happy to get vaccinated we can create herd immunity faster and those that won't get vaccinated for whatever reason won't be pressure to do so. I imagine if the situation was reversed we would have to continue with some sort of restrictions until the herd immunity was achieved. It might be a problem in other countries, but definitely not in UK. That's why I was so surprised to read so many people want compulsory vaccines or vaccine passport. There's no need for that.

BungleandGeorge · 13/03/2021 20:07

A lot of people like the large centres as you can book ahead and have been chosen for easy access. GPs are unable to give much notice as they don’t get told they are getting a delivery until the last minute. I imagine that’s becoming more difficult as they’re now doing people who are not shielding

Parker231 · 13/03/2021 20:10

DH is a GP - his practice are just doing vaccinations for care homes and those who for whatever reason need their vaccination done at home. Another local practice is one of the local centres and contacting patients to make appointments. That practice are texting and phoning patients to book them in.

ChameleonClara · 13/03/2021 20:17

Anyone who refuses a vaccine without health grounds can’t expect to be paid to stay at home. Choices have consequences

Oh there is so much sanctimonious stupid bullshit on this. Are you so silly that you think it's a good idea for the UK nation that unvaccinated people go and spread it to their clinically vulnerable colleagues? Or to your/my children? Or the 1 or 2 in 10 where the vaccine doesn't protect them?

Surely you know by now - life is messy and complicated. Newsflash: you can't stop people doing the wrong thing. So what actually are you going to do with the unvaccinated person who sits next to Sue in accounts who is immunocompromised? Refuse to pay them sick leave so Sue dies? Sack them so the taxpayer has to pay benefits? Imprison them at great cost? Shoot them?

Look at the mess the UK is in. There is no wonder when 'choices have consequences' is all the depth of policy discussion some people can muster.

XenoBitch · 13/03/2021 20:29

@Parker231

I volunteer one day a week as a vaccinator. Everyone I saw on Friday was very pleased that it was their turn. Some people said they’d been counting down the days since they received their appointment. I love the positive atmosphere there.
I doubt anyone who hated being there would be busting to tell you.
mybonnieliesovertheocean2 · 13/03/2021 20:31

Parker231 thats good to hear.

Parker231 · 13/03/2021 20:32

Xeno - some of the people having their vaccination had hardly been out of the house. Coming for their appointment was a big day out.

Northernsoulgirl45 · 14/03/2021 07:49

@BungleandGeorge exactly. Sorry my point was that it is not experimenta.
I am sorry I may have tagged wrong person.

Kazzyhoward · 14/03/2021 08:33

@ChameleonClara

Anyone who refuses a vaccine without health grounds can’t expect to be paid to stay at home. Choices have consequences

Oh there is so much sanctimonious stupid bullshit on this. Are you so silly that you think it's a good idea for the UK nation that unvaccinated people go and spread it to their clinically vulnerable colleagues? Or to your/my children? Or the 1 or 2 in 10 where the vaccine doesn't protect them?

Surely you know by now - life is messy and complicated. Newsflash: you can't stop people doing the wrong thing. So what actually are you going to do with the unvaccinated person who sits next to Sue in accounts who is immunocompromised? Refuse to pay them sick leave so Sue dies? Sack them so the taxpayer has to pay benefits? Imprison them at great cost? Shoot them?

Look at the mess the UK is in. There is no wonder when 'choices have consequences' is all the depth of policy discussion some people can muster.

So what is YOUR answer to protecting vulnerable people from the unvaccinated?

For me, it'd be a far better benefit system for the vulnerable and/or sacking the person who refuses to be vaccinated.

The vulnerable in care homes and hospitals need to be protected and if that means their "carers" have to be vaccinated, then any carers who refuse need sacking or redeploying to lower risk work.

It's time the free money came to an end where it's supporting anti-vaxxers.

We're quickly coming to the point where it is piss or get off the pot.

bumbleymummy · 14/03/2021 09:12

People not wanting a particular vaccine for something that is incredibly low risk for them does not make them ‘anti-vaxx’. Unless you consider the millions of people who don’t have the flu vaccine every year ‘anti-vaxx’ as well?

WanderingFruitWonderer · 14/03/2021 09:14

Sorry, I haven't read the whole thread, so apologies if I'm repeating others. But I guess much depends on the lifestyle and risk factors of the unvaccinated.
If someone lives alone, works outdoors, doesn't go to crowded indoor spaces etc, then realistically it won't make a difference. Also if they're low risk to Covid. But if someone is high risk, plans to go to pubs etc regularly, and has no plans to distance, then it's more of a problem. Obviously there's a huge spectrum in between.
Funnily enough, my stance on this has become more liberal in the last few days. I was very critical of those not getting vaccinated. But for various reasons, and increased insight, I've changed my mind. It's not black and white. You could say people who drive cars or eat meat are being more selfish, as they blatantly contribute to climate change, which is much worse for humanity than coronavirus. Being pro or anti vax isn't the thing that uniquely makes you a good or bad person!
Some people, for various reasons, are genuinely terrified of having the vaccine. We need to be compassionate towards them.
I still plan to have the vaccine myself by the way...

Wellbythebloodyhell · 14/03/2021 10:56

You'll never ever know who's been vaccinated and who hasn't . At some point soon we will be released back into society, we'll go to restaurants, we'll have beauty treatments, we will go back to the gym, we'll shop in large shopping centres, we'll go to the theatre, you'll never ever know if the person serving you, or person stood next to you has been vaccinated or not and its not healthy (mentally) to start getting fixated on who has and who hasn't.

I've had my vaccine, my parents have had theirs, my dc will have it if it becomes regulated in children, beyond that I'm not interested who has or hasn't to be honest.

We live in a society where our personal medical information is just that personal , are we going to get to stage where every time we encounter someone new we ask them their vaccine status? I hope not, we need to stop seeing others as disease ridden, its not a healthy approach to have.

Parker231 · 14/03/2021 11:01

Wellby - I like the list of things to don when restrictions are lifted- they are all on my list. Am waiting to hear more about vaccine passports - my second vaccine is towards the end of May and I want to travel to see family as soon as possible and book a holiday.

WanderingFruitWonderer · 14/03/2021 11:25

@Wellbythebloodyhell I love your entire post. Very balanced & humane.

Kazzyhoward · 14/03/2021 11:30

@Wellbythebloodyhell

You'll never ever know who's been vaccinated and who hasn't . At some point soon we will be released back into society, we'll go to restaurants, we'll have beauty treatments, we will go back to the gym, we'll shop in large shopping centres, we'll go to the theatre, you'll never ever know if the person serving you, or person stood next to you has been vaccinated or not and its not healthy (mentally) to start getting fixated on who has and who hasn't. I've had my vaccine, my parents have had theirs, my dc will have it if it becomes regulated in children, beyond that I'm not interested who has or hasn't to be honest.

We live in a society where our personal medical information is just that personal , are we going to get to stage where every time we encounter someone new we ask them their vaccine status? I hope not, we need to stop seeing others as disease ridden, its not a healthy approach to have.

All those places you mention are voluntary and can be avoided by the vulnerable/worried/paranoid.

What I'm more worried about are care homes, hospitals, GPs, nurses, carers, home repair/maintenance staff, cleaners, etc. They are people the elderly/vulnerable simply can't avoid.

I think it's unreasonable for an unvaccinated person to work in those jobs where they are likely to come into close contact or into the homes of vulnerable people.

We already had nurses huffing and puffing and eye rolling when my OH has his cancer infusions at the hospital day treatment centre, when the nurses move between patients without changing their gloves, without wiping down the blood pressure cuff nor finger oxymeter, as OH always asks them to change their gloves and anti-bac the equipment.

Nurses/GPs, and workers who come into your homes are going to have to get used to taking precautions to protect their patients/customers and if they're not themselves vaccinated, then they'll have to take more precautions.

DenisetheMenace · 14/03/2021 11:41

ChameleonClara

Anyone who refuses a vaccine without health grounds can’t expect to be paid to stay at home. Choices have consequences

Oh there is so much sanctimonious stupid bullshit on this. Are you so silly that you think it's a good idea for the UK nation that unvaccinated people go and spread it to their clinically vulnerable colleagues? Or to your/my children? Or the 1 or 2 in 10 where the vaccine doesn't protect them?

Surely you know by now - life is messy and complicated. Newsflash: you can't stop people doing the wrong thing. So what actually are you going to do with the unvaccinated person who sits next to Sue in accounts who is immunocompromised? Refuse to pay them sick leave so Sue dies? Sack them so the taxpayer has to pay benefits? Imprison them at great cost? Shoot them?

Look at the mess the UK is in. There is no wonder when 'choices have consequences' is all the depth of policy discussion some people can muster.“

Okay, we disagree Grin

Donotfeedthebears · 14/03/2021 12:04

Would anybody here welcome camps for those who aren’t vaccinated?

Wellbythebloodyhell · 14/03/2021 12:17

@Donotfeedthebears

Would anybody here welcome camps for those who aren’t vaccinated?
Camps? What sort of camps do you mean?
bumbleymummy · 14/03/2021 13:07

Shock horrific

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