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What happens about the unvaccinated ?

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vera99 · 08/03/2021 03:06

There is a lot of speculation about how many will buy into the continuing vaccination program. Some has said 20% won't but I'm sure it will be less than that. We don't know any would be refuseniks. But say it's 10% and suppose Covid will become stronger and therefore potentially more lethal and troublesome will that not lead to many more deaths and hospitalisations amongst this cohort and by doing so threaten the capacity of the hospital's once again ? Hopefully not of course does anyone know of any modelling around that outcome. Therapeutics of course will be of importance to lessen any resultant disease and persuading the currently unpersuaded remains of paramount importance. The stick of no vaccine no travel or no entry will be a great persuader no doubt as well.

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Oblomov21 · 08/03/2021 07:25

Nothing will happen. And that's right. If they choose not to, that's their choice. Those that are vaccinated have less likelihood of getting covid so badly that they die. If those that choose not to vaccinate die, then that is their choice. This is ok. How can it not be? What exactly else can be done?

HolmeH · 08/03/2021 07:31

To be honest, if covid mutated into something more deadly in the young I’d bet my house the anti-vaxxers or the ones who ‘don’t want to be guinea pigs’ would be biting the NHS’s hands off for a vaccine. So I don’t think we need to worry too much on that one..

Sarcobaleno · 08/03/2021 07:32

@Oblomov21 what else will happen is that unvaccinated will not be able to access everything that vaccinated people are. Airlines etc. I hope that only happens to people who don't have a medical exemption. Industries will make hard commercial decisions and exclude anyone perceived as being a risk.

Pootle40 · 08/03/2021 07:35

Interestingly Israel are only opening up gyms, restaurants etc to the vaccinated........that would increase the take up !

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 08/03/2021 07:42

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HelloMissus · 08/03/2021 07:49

Nothing will happen to them.
They’ll be excluded from some things but that’s their choice.

MaxNormal · 08/03/2021 07:53

They’ll be excluded from some things but that’s their choice

Again, this is lumping everyone in together. It's not a choice to not be able to have the vaccine but so far I've not heard any official discussion on a distinction between the cant's and the wont's.

HelloMissus · 08/03/2021 07:56

Max exemptions are currently made for people who can’t eg yellow fever. No reason to think that won’t continue.

starfish4 · 08/03/2021 07:57

As said before, I think some organisations will require vaccination proof.

We could have ongoing problems in terms of variants. Also we have months of hospital appointments and operations to catch up on and these will have to start having their fair share of hospital capacity very soon so there'll surely be much less Covid beds. If this is causing problems then proof of vaccine could help. If not those that don't have it, will end up creating their own herd immunity, catching it and antibodies.

I said I was a bit nervous about household mixing and DH's response was we'll only have vaccinated visitors! I can understand a few might not want to mix with family/friends if they haven't been vaccinated. This might encourage a few more,if not relationships will change.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 08/03/2021 07:59

@MaxNormal

They’ll be excluded from some things but that’s their choice

Again, this is lumping everyone in together. It's not a choice to not be able to have the vaccine but so far I've not heard any official discussion on a distinction between the cant's and the wont's.

Agreed!!! I’m breastfeeding and won’t take the vaccine, when I was pregnant I wouldn’t have taken the vaccine but businesses and the government can essentially say I have to or be excluded - same as if I was neither pregnant or nursing but don’t want to take the vaccine.
OnlyFoolsnMothers · 08/03/2021 08:00

@starfish4

As said before, I think some organisations will require vaccination proof.

We could have ongoing problems in terms of variants. Also we have months of hospital appointments and operations to catch up on and these will have to start having their fair share of hospital capacity very soon so there'll surely be much less Covid beds. If this is causing problems then proof of vaccine could help. If not those that don't have it, will end up creating their own herd immunity, catching it and antibodies.

I said I was a bit nervous about household mixing and DH's response was we'll only have vaccinated visitors! I can understand a few might not want to mix with family/friends if they haven't been vaccinated. This might encourage a few more,if not relationships will change.

Even if I was vaccinated, if a friend said I can only come to their house if I am I would tell them to piss off! I don’t check their medical records
Fluffycloudland77 · 08/03/2021 08:03

They’ll be an unofficial test group for how severe covid is, monitoring new strains, testing new treatments on.

It’ll be a teaching tool.

EasterIssland · 08/03/2021 08:07

@OnlyFoolsnMothers it’s your decision not to have the vaccine. Same way your friends decision to welcome who they want. They can’t force you to have the vaccine same way you can’t force them to have at home who they feel could be dangerous for their health.

Sarahandco · 08/03/2021 08:10

I think there will be less restrictions on the unvaccinated than you think.

A few countries are already saying entry is open to the vaccinated and those with a negative test.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 08/03/2021 08:11

[quote EasterIssland]@OnlyFoolsnMothers it’s your decision not to have the vaccine. Same way your friends decision to welcome who they want. They can’t force you to have the vaccine same way you can’t force them to have at home who they feel could be dangerous for their health.[/quote]
Of course it’s a choice, I just find it disgusting that this is now acceptable.

EasterIssland · 08/03/2021 08:12

@Sarahandco

I think there will be less restrictions on the unvaccinated than you think.

A few countries are already saying entry is open to the vaccinated and those with a negative test.

This is the plan however those tests cost 150-200 each. If the uk uses the same rule then it’s an extra £300 per head. If you do travel quite often (I used to travel at Least 4 times pre pandemic) it’d be around 1.2k in tests per person. Whilst a vaccine person could save that amount
ConnieDobbs · 08/03/2021 08:13

People refusing the vaccine are unlikely to be in a vulnerable group. It shouldn't overwhelm the NHS if a small number of them end up in hospital.

Also viruses tend to become weaker when they mutate not stronger.

EasterIssland · 08/03/2021 08:17

“ Of course it’s a choice, I just find it disgusting that this is now acceptable.”

It’s been always accepted. You take your decisions and know what that there will be consequences for it. If there is a illness that is a threat to the country and people decide not to take something that could help the country then it’s their choice , but of course they can’t expect the same treatment as those that decided to take the vaccine.
We take decisions in life and each decision will have a consequence , some of them we won’t like

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 08/03/2021 08:20

@EasterIssland

“ Of course it’s a choice, I just find it disgusting that this is now acceptable.”

It’s been always accepted. You take your decisions and know what that there will be consequences for it. If there is a illness that is a threat to the country and people decide not to take something that could help the country then it’s their choice , but of course they can’t expect the same treatment as those that decided to take the vaccine.
We take decisions in life and each decision will have a consequence , some of them we won’t like

Really- what were the consequences for those not taking mmr, did they still get a school place?
Racoonworld · 08/03/2021 08:23

If they choose not to it’s their choice. But they will be very limited with travel and other things.

EasterIssland · 08/03/2021 08:25

“ Really- what were the consequences for those not taking mmr, did they still get a school place?”

Some places will refuse you. Where I’m from (European country) no child is allowed to enter the school unless vaccinated. They ask you for proof of vaccines

peak2021 · 08/03/2021 08:29

As others have mentioned, things such as travel may become restricted for them, or required expensive/inconvenient testing.

EasterIssland · 08/03/2021 08:30

And again there are countries already requesting pcr or vaccine. It’s up to you which one you choose if you travel. If you don’t of course it doesn’t matter to you. But if you like travelling like I do it doesn’t matter to me having a COVID vaccine or the need of taking the yellow fever one as some countries request.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 08/03/2021 08:31

@EasterIssland

“ Really- what were the consequences for those not taking mmr, did they still get a school place?”

Some places will refuse you. Where I’m from (European country) no child is allowed to enter the school unless vaccinated. They ask you for proof of vaccines

Yes I know but I’m talking about The UK!