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What happens about the unvaccinated ?

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vera99 · 08/03/2021 03:06

There is a lot of speculation about how many will buy into the continuing vaccination program. Some has said 20% won't but I'm sure it will be less than that. We don't know any would be refuseniks. But say it's 10% and suppose Covid will become stronger and therefore potentially more lethal and troublesome will that not lead to many more deaths and hospitalisations amongst this cohort and by doing so threaten the capacity of the hospital's once again ? Hopefully not of course does anyone know of any modelling around that outcome. Therapeutics of course will be of importance to lessen any resultant disease and persuading the currently unpersuaded remains of paramount importance. The stick of no vaccine no travel or no entry will be a great persuader no doubt as well.

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Downthefarm · 12/03/2021 23:11

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Northernsoulgirl45 · 12/03/2021 23:18

@BungleandGeorge an explanation of experimental.
www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-vaccine-monitoring-idUSKBN2AC2G3

MummyPop00 · 12/03/2021 23:21

If the whole population get vaccinated, how then can we study the natural immune response & its longevity to Covid?

So no, I don’t agree with marginalising those who wish to remain unvaccinated.

dividedwefall · 13/03/2021 00:13

@LuluJakey1

The unvaccinated will all get a severely mutated form of Covid that will eat their brains and they'll become the undead, roaming the streets in limping, slow-staggering gangs, looking for vaccinated people to drink blood from. We'll all have to carry swords to chop their heads off and the army will help.
Maybe once our brains have been eaten we will be more likely to try the vaccine?
Tdaadfb100 · 13/03/2021 02:08

@OnlyFoolsnMothers I think that is a very good, sensible, way to see it. Mike Yeadon (used to be head of Pfizer) said a similar thing. If you are in the category that usually has a flu vax then get a COVID one. Personally, I’m going to hold fire for a while longer. Not sure what is available where I am yet anyway.

BungleandGeorge · 13/03/2021 12:57

[quote Northernsoulgirl45]@BungleandGeorge an explanation of experimental.
www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-vaccine-monitoring-idUSKBN2AC2G3[/quote]
That does not say the vaccine is experimental? The definition of experimental is ‘based on untested ideas or techniques and not yet established or finalized’.
Every single drug licensed in the UK is subject to intensive monitoring of side effects for the first 2 years as a second safety measure because some side effects are incredibly rare. However the standard trials have been completed, the use of the drug set. An experimental drug is something different entirely

Parker231 · 13/03/2021 13:28

www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/what-is-emergency-use-authorization.html

This explains about emergency use authorisation. It still means it’s been through safety standard testing and is safe to be distributed. It’s wouldn’t have received authorisation otherwise.

reformedcharacters · 13/03/2021 13:31

Yes but it’s conditional on continued analysis of data which some people would rather wait for others are happy to go ahead without, neither are wrong and therefore the right to choose must be protected.

TheKeatingFive · 13/03/2021 13:56

which some people would rather wait for others are happy to go ahead without, neither are wrong and therefore the right to choose must be protected.

So some people are happy to let others take all the risk so that society can open up for all. While they ‘wait and see’?

I call that immensely selfish myself.

Unless the ‘wait and see’ brigade are voluntarily isolating themselves during their ‘wait and see’ period. Which I doubt.

Anyway, I’m highly supportive of businesses/countries preventing access to the unvaxxed. I expect we’ll see a swift change of heart.

reformedcharacters · 13/03/2021 14:07

Why is it selfish to want to wait?

According to BJ this time last year the plan was to protect the NHS by ‘squashing the sombrero’. Even when infections and hospital admissions were at their highest the NHS was not overwhelmed.

The government never stated at any point were they tying to stop everyone catching this virus.

Thankfully there’s reports of France opening up to all.

This attitude of forcing people into one way of thinking has been evident since 2016 with suggestions that in order to be eligible to vote that people should almost be subjected to some sort of IQ test, that one side has to be right and if anybody goes against it they should become some sort of outcast, it’s toxic and dangerous.

BungleandGeorge · 13/03/2021 14:14

[quote reformedcharacters]BungleandGeorge

The vaccines only authorised for emergency use:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/conditions-of-authorisation-for-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine[/quote]
Makes no difference to the post marketing surveillance. Every drug licence is conditional, every drug continues to be monitored indefinitely. Some medications have had the license withdrawn years after first being marketed. It’s no different to any other medication in the UK

TheKeatingFive · 13/03/2021 14:14

Why is it selfish to want to wait?

Because you’re expecting others to take all the risks so your life can get back to normal.

Unless you are planning to isolate yourself, until you’re ready, ensuring that even though you aren’t getting the vaccine, you’re not providing opportunities for the virus to mutate, you aren’t risking the lives of those who can’t be vaxxed and you prevent putting pressure on the hospital system by getting ill yourself.

Are you?

reformedcharacters · 13/03/2021 14:16

@TheKeatingFive

Why is it selfish to want to wait?

Because you’re expecting others to take all the risks so your life can get back to normal.

Unless you are planning to isolate yourself, until you’re ready, ensuring that even though you aren’t getting the vaccine, you’re not providing opportunities for the virus to mutate, you aren’t risking the lives of those who can’t be vaxxed and you prevent putting pressure on the hospital system by getting ill yourself.

Are you?

Can you show me where I’ve said that I won’t personally be taking the vaccine?

I’ll wait.

BungleandGeorge · 13/03/2021 14:17

@reformedcharacters

Even when infections and hospital admissions were at their highest the NHS was not overwhelmed.

What is your definition of ‘overwhelmed’?

Parker231 · 13/03/2021 14:18

The NHS was overwhelmed. Surgery was postponed, hospitals breached safe staffing in ICU’s, ambulances queued for hours to drop off patients, hospitals were moving seriously ill patients around the country to wherever there was a critical care bed, children’s wards were converted to Covid wards, hospital theatres were converted to ICU’s, hospital staff were working double shifts - this was not normal in the NHS.

Why should some people have the vaccine to protect themselves and others but others aren’t willing to do the same?

TheKeatingFive · 13/03/2021 14:20

Can you show me where I’ve said that I won’t personally be taking the vaccine?

I’ve no interest in dissecting your posts.

IF people are not taking the vaccine then yes, they are acting selfishly. Unless they are prepared to isolate until they are ready.

Only you know if that’s applicable to you or not.

Justsayinit · 13/03/2021 14:22

It's not selfish to want to wait, it is intelligent to wait. Some people are fearful and want others to do what they are doing to make them feel safer, bit like a herd of sheep. And some people even go full Dr Mengele on you if you say you won't be taking part in the medical experiment. I always wonder what those people would have been like in 1930's Germany.

Parker231 · 13/03/2021 14:24

Why is it intelligent not to want to do everything you can to halt transmission of Covid? Having the vaccine, testing, wearing a mask and social distancing all contribute to stopping the spread.

TheKeatingFive · 13/03/2021 14:29

It's not selfish to want to wait, it is intelligent to wait

And keep living under lockdown? Is that what you want?

reformedcharacters · 13/03/2021 14:43

@TheKeatingFive

It's not selfish to want to wait, it is intelligent to wait

And keep living under lockdown? Is that what you want?

Why would a minority of people waiting for further data keep people in lockdown?
Parker231 · 13/03/2021 14:46

reform - if we all took that selfish attitude, Covid cases and deaths would continue.

Bythemillpond · 13/03/2021 14:47

IF people are not taking the vaccine then yes, they are acting selfishly. Unless they are prepared to isolate until they are ready

What if they have already had Covid. They are probably more safe than those who have had the vaccine

dividedwefall · 13/03/2021 14:51

@TheKeatingFive

Can you show me where I’ve said that I won’t personally be taking the vaccine?

I’ve no interest in dissecting your posts.

IF people are not taking the vaccine then yes, they are acting selfishly. Unless they are prepared to isolate until they are ready.

Only you know if that’s applicable to you or not.

The vast majority of people are selfish and will be getting vaccinated because they think it will protect them and their close family and allow them to go out and about again.

Do you think if people were presented with a medicine that carries risk of side effects and possibly death but was of zero benefit to themselves that anybody would take it? Some might but the numbers would be fairly small.

I am selfish when it comes to protecting myself, my children and my family. They are everything to me and I wouldn't sacrifice a single one of us for the greater good. Most people feel this way despite what they might say.