What happens about the unvaccinated ?

[vera99]

There is a lot of speculation about how many will buy into the continuing vaccination program. Some has said 20% won't but I'm sure it will be less than that. We don't know any would be refuseniks. But say it's 10% and suppose Covid will become stronger and therefore potentially more lethal and troublesome will that not lead to many more deaths and hospitalisations amongst this cohort and by doing so threaten the capacity of the hospital's once again ? Hopefully not of course does anyone know of any modelling around that outcome. Therapeutics of course will be of importance to lessen any resultant disease and persuading the currently unpersuaded remains of paramount importance. The stick of no vaccine no travel or no entry will be a great persuader no doubt as well.

@lucyhawking

In the UK I doubt there will ever be compulsory vaccination. However for international travel, countries may require it. On travelling to East Africa a good many years ago, my husband and myself were required to have Yellow Fever Vaccination. There was no Yellow Fever there, however there was in counties we were flying over. I disagree with Compulsory Vaccination. However those who aren't vaccinated are protected by the 80% of those of us who will be. I am happy to protect those who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons. I am NOT happy to protect the others. If anyone knows anyone who is frightened by the myths that are being circulated please ask them to discuss their fear with a Health Professional or Biology Graduate. The vaccine DOES NOT affect their DNA.

In most cases, people who are choosing not to be vaccinated are not asking for the protection of others. They are happy to take their chances with the virus, gain immunity and contribute to herd immunity that way.

@bumbleymummy 100% that. I don't expect or want anyone to get vaccinated on my behalf, nor to protect me. If nobody at all had it I wouldn't care because I know COVID will go away as all other pandemics have gone away. And I'm very low risk so don't need protecting to start with!

@annanicolesmith

I don't let my children play with unvaccinated children, I will not be playing with unvaccinated adults.

How do you know

@anamazingfind

I think most of the refusers will be in the lower age ranges or children, who don't get particularly sick anyway so won't need hospitalisation. So the very sick ones who get the virus and are older won't give rise to many more hospitalisations. Probably no more than the normal flu and pneumonia cases. Its their choice but I hope with continuing vaccination, herd immunity and better treatments it will be just another winter virus

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@deb0520

*Im honestly afraid that (presumably) good people can't see the issue with removing individual rights and espousing policies that are totalitarian.

I think Britain is creeping closer to a very dangerous place as nice people don't see the harm in a little bit of fascism if done for good reasons.

We need good people to start thinking things through more. It isn't lack of education, something else is causing this problem*
So well said @chameloncara I agree with you 100‰. I find it scary how much people take at face value rather than analyse themselves and secondly how flippant some are over our privacy rights. Sad thing is if we lose these rights it'll be near impossible to get them back for a long time.

Agree, its shocking

Quoting this so it hopefully gets read by more people! I'm a BF mum and will be having my first vaccine on Mother's Day! Pleased that my vulnerable son will also be getting some protection. 🎉*

Thank you, waitingforsun.

My daughter is very keen to have hers too. She won’t qualify for a while yet but is very hopeful of a vaccine for infants soon. She is well aware that Covid doesn’t, thankfully, affect children badly but is concerned that because the first 7 months of their life have been so limited, natural immunities may not be what they should. Has yet to be exposed even to a cold, which is causing her some concern.
Me too. Ours mixed with countless children and encountered and coughed and sneezed their ways through all sorts of lurgies. Our grandchild hadn’t.

Boobot1

Do you understand that it’s equally shocking to many that, presumably, good people refuse to take a vaccine for the benefit of others even if it affords them no personal benefit?

@DenisetheMenace

Boobot1

Do you understand that it’s equally shocking to many that, presumably, good people refuse to take a vaccine for the benefit of others even if it affords them no personal benefit?

It's not about benefit. If it was zero risk I'd happily do it for the whole world with no benefit to myself. I'm not risking my own health for anybody else. I have children to think of first and foremost.

So do I, dividedwefall.

That’s why I’m taking the vaccine.

@RMNMummy I had pain as a side effect of the vaccine but more ache/bone pain
The thing is I already inject a drug which causes excruciating bone pain because of the way it works, it won't give me arthritis and it's a drug that's been used for a long time. So the side effects of bone/joint pain don't necessarily mean anything. It also gives me a headache, feeling faint, high temp, shivering and nausea every single week and one of the drugs increases my risk of cancer. But when you look it's say 2 in 1000 get cancer instead of 1 in 1000 so it's a very low risk I take

I mean you could not have the vaccine and develop arthritis tomorrow or cancer, who knows 🤷🏽‍♀️ I developed a blood condition out the blue

-The vaccines are officially experimental until 2023, that is in documented information freely available if you search for it..

• A very good video showing the titles of these docs the you could google Bitchute and The Mirror Projects balanced Vaccine video, in which Professor Dolores Cahill , Immunologist and cellular biologist and R.F.Kennedy Jnr give excellent discussion.

-The current mRNA vaccine does not fully prevent transmission from a vaccinated person to another or from contracting C -19 but it is said to reduce the need for hospitalisation and reduce some of the more serious effects.

• Only a small % of the French population have taken the vaccine. They are opening up and allowing free travel from other countries.

• Denmark have put a stop to the vaccine for further investigation into batches due to safety concerns with the deaths that have occurred and the side effects.( i.e. Blood Clotting ).

• It is against the current laws to force or coerce anyone into taking any vaccine. These laws must be upheld.
• Some will remember the Baxters & Remdisivir scandals of 2009 of the consequences of hastily rushed to market vaccines for the H1N1/ swine flu virus and the phenominal pay outs the Gov had to make to permanently injured people , most of whom where children left with life long disability.

• All pharma companies manufacturing the current mRNA vaccines have been given liability indemnity waivers meaning no come back or recompense in the event of vaccine death or injury.

• across the UK population there is a very low chance of dying from this virus.

• Sweden did not lock down and have a similair mortality rate.

• The mortality figures showed died 'WITH' not necessarily 'OF' , just like 'CASES ' mean positive tests not sick people and also there are many False Positives to factor in there too.

• All viruses mutate and have since before man , they tend to become weaker and less virulent as they do so, gradually petering out. There are over 1700 corona viruses.

• People should be able to have agency over their own bodies and decide. Not be shamed or forced into having what is still an experimental vaccine until 2023. It does not make a person an 'Anti vaxxer' or a Covid Denier' because they choose not to take it.

• The NHS had 13% of bed capacity removed late last year , yet the hugely expensive Nightingales have remained unused and were dismantled in December 2020. Thus it was not overwhelmed even in this winter period.

• I am not an anti vaxxer nor a 'Theorist' but I view it is as helpful to consider a balanced view that this is a matter of an individuals choice....Not one based on fear driven campaign and press releases, personal choice should be respected. Also a persons access to sound scientific evaluation from the opinions and research of those in the scientific and medical community who have no conflict of interest without censorship from mainstream media platforms .

Censorship signals the end of freedom of speech , this too must be preserved at all costs or we are living in an authoritarian dictatorship.

I don’t have premium.

Is that a first post StrivingforJustice?

I agree with you. A balanced view is required. Unfortunately, your view is not balanced.

@DenisetheMenace

I don’t have premium.

Is that a first post StrivingforJustice?

I agree with you. A balanced view is required. Unfortunately, your view is not balanced.

Actually her post is less 'point of view' and more a list of facts apart from the very last paragraph. And she is correct about every point as far as I can see. Which bit do you not agree with?

@DenisetheMenace

I don’t have premium.

Is that a first post StrivingforJustice?

I agree with you. A balanced view is required. Unfortunately, your view is not balanced.

You don't need premium to see if it's a first post- just use the advanced Search. I just did this and it looks like strivingforjustice began posting in January 2019, though I wouldn't call them a frequent poster.

I’ve been on MN for about 15 years maybe longer - name changes and one change of email address (never banned).

Posting history doesn’t always mean that much

@reformedcharacters

I’ve been on MN for about 15 years maybe longer - name changes and one change of email address (never banned).

Posting history doesn’t always mean that much

Oh, agreed. Think I last name changed a month or so ago.

reformedcharacters

I’ve been on MN for about 15 years maybe longer - name changes and one change of email address (never banned).

Posting history doesn’t always mean that much

Oh ok, thank you. I’m a relatively new poster and pretty rubbish with tech.

I don’t quite get the name change thing. If you have an opinion, just own it?

Why do people typically name change?

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@DenisetheMenace

reformedcharacters

I’ve been on MN for about 15 years maybe longer - name changes and one change of email address (never banned).

Posting history doesn’t always mean that much

Oh ok, thank you. I’m a relatively new poster and pretty rubbish with tech.

I don’t quite get the name change thing. If you have an opinion, just own it?

Why do people typically name change?

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I don’t know anybody else’s reasons but mine have been for a variety of reasons over the years for example, when I first joined MN years ago I was married with 3 young DC, since then divorce, other significant life changes that I don’t want associated with old usernames.

In the past year I’ve had a few instances of being followed around threads by posters who did not agree with something I had posted, only on the coronavirus threads.

There are only a handful of posters on this site who I recognise from when I joined so I don’t think it’s unusual.

Thank you, reformedcharacters.

I name change because I want to be anonymous. You can really piece someone's life together through their past posts when they contain personal information so I like to remain incognito. I am happy to own my opinion but I don't want people dredging through my personal life because they disagree with my stance on coronavirus.

@strivingforjustice you mean the Dr Dolores Cahill who was asked to resign from an EU committee.

@strivingforjustice balanced view is great but you’ve included some inaccuracies and misinformation there and presented it as fact?

The vaccines are officially experimental until 2023, that is in documented information freely available if you search for it

• what do you mean by this? How are they expirement?

Denmark have put a stop to the vaccine for further investigation into batches due to safety concerns with the deaths that have occurred and the side effects.( i.e. Blood Clotting ).

• and what have the European medicines regulators said about this? Incidentally I presume you are referring to the AZ vaccine as you haven’t made that clear?

Some will remember the Baxters & Remdisivir scandals of 2009 of the consequences of hastily rushed to market vaccines for the H1N1/ swine flu virus and the phenominal pay outs the Gov had to make to permanently injured people , most of whom where children left with life long disability

• not sure what this post is aimed at as remdesivir is not a swine flu vaccine it is also an investigational medication. Without a product license. A small number of people did get a payout but there’s no categorical proof that the vaccine did cause narcolepsy

• All pharma companies manufacturing the current mRNA vaccines have been given liability indemnity waivers meaning no come back or recompense in the event of vaccine death or injury.
• for the reason that the government wanted them to be released on fast track to avoid waiting for the full product license. There is come back as you put it but it’s covered by the government and not the company

Sweden did not lock down and have a similair mortality rate.

• they had many restrictions in place. Their population density is much lower than ours so less virus transmission

The mortality figures showed died 'WITH' not necessarily 'OF' , just like 'CASES ' mean positive tests not sick people and also there are many False Positives to factor in there too.

• look at the excess death rate then, or speak to people working in the area. Covid causes a wide range of effects. Your cause of death may have been one of those but you wouldn’t have died had covid not precipitated it. What are you suggesting the false positive rate is?

• All viruses mutate and have since before man , they tend to become weaker and less virulent as they do so, gradually petering out. There are over 1700 corona viruses.
• some viruses are pretty stable and you gain lifelong immunity eg measles

• The NHS had 13% of bed capacity removed late last year , yet the hugely expensive Nightingales have remained unused and were dismantled in December 2020. Thus it was not overwhelmed even in this winter period.
• Perhaps you’d like to back this up with some evidence? Some of the nightingales have been used-London, Exeter, I think at least one more from january.

The unvaccinated will all get a severely mutated form of Covid that will eat their brains and they'll become the undead, roaming the streets in limping, slow-staggering gangs, looking for vaccinated people to drink blood from. We'll all have to carry swords to chop their heads off and the army will help.

LuluJakey1 shaun of the dead moment