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What happens about the unvaccinated ?

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vera99 · 08/03/2021 03:06

There is a lot of speculation about how many will buy into the continuing vaccination program. Some has said 20% won't but I'm sure it will be less than that. We don't know any would be refuseniks. But say it's 10% and suppose Covid will become stronger and therefore potentially more lethal and troublesome will that not lead to many more deaths and hospitalisations amongst this cohort and by doing so threaten the capacity of the hospital's once again ? Hopefully not of course does anyone know of any modelling around that outcome. Therapeutics of course will be of importance to lessen any resultant disease and persuading the currently unpersuaded remains of paramount importance. The stick of no vaccine no travel or no entry will be a great persuader no doubt as well.

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TangoWhiskyAlphaTango · 09/03/2021 17:58

I work for a very large community NHS trust. We have been able to have the vaccine since late December. The uptake in our Trust is only 55% of staff, I am shocked and horrified by this. I thought the majority would have jumped at the chance but this is just not the case at all. It is barely more than the flu uptake in our Trust.

reformedcharacters · 09/03/2021 17:59

A percentage of those holding out on the vaccine will have T cell immunity.

nearlyhellokitty · 09/03/2021 17:59

@hermesandhades this is so totally untrue. come on.

Oscarsdaddy · 09/03/2021 17:59

The unvaccinated should be forced to wear an electronic tag so their moments can be monitored

They shouldn’t have any issue with this as many of these Covidiots believe the vaccine has a tracker in it so either way they are screwed.

I really don’t see what the issue is, it’s been proven to be effective and if it’s an annual thing then so be it. We need to get the UK and the economy back on track as quickly as possible. Those who don’t want to take the vaccine will soon find themselves ostracized by not being allowed to go to bars, restaurants, theatres, on holiday, etc.....

ewee · 09/03/2021 18:00

Museum, can you please explain why the recovery rate overall is 99.8%?

Maybe some other information might actually stagger you - it is data produced by the ONS, no less.

They have released their provisional data for mortality for 2020 (all-cause deaths per '000 of population). They have this data going back to 1942 - 79 years.

On an age-standardised basis (which means adjusting for ageing of the population and gender mix), where do you think 2020 ranks in those 79 years.

68th!

You don't believe me, do you?

poppycat10 · 09/03/2021 18:02

If I am vaccinated I don't care about other people's decisions to get vaccinated or not - why would it affect me?

Leaving aside the fact that a small number of people cannot be vaccinated (but perhaps that isn't an issue for covid as there are several vaccine options, unlike most other vaccines where there are perhaps two options at most) why do the rest of you care so much? And don't virtue signal and pretend you care about those who can't have it - you don't. You get vaccinated and get your children vaccinated because you don't want yourself and them to be ill. I am fed up with the idea that it's a social duty. No it isn't. Health responsibility is personal to you.

There is also a fundamental irrationality about not trusting the vaccine enough to think it will protect you even though you are having it, but expecting other people to have the same untrustworthy vaccination to protect you.

I trust the vaccine will work. If others don't, that's up to them.

museumsandgalleries666 · 09/03/2021 18:02

It doesn't matter what anyone 'thinks'. The unvaccinated don't care about their own health so why should anyone else care about them😁 getting into cinemas airports etc will be the least of their problems if they don't protect themselves.

neverreachingtheend · 09/03/2021 18:03

@TangoWhiskyAlphaTango

I work for a very large community NHS trust. We have been able to have the vaccine since late December. The uptake in our Trust is only 55% of staff, I am shocked and horrified by this. I thought the majority would have jumped at the chance but this is just not the case at all. It is barely more than the flu uptake in our Trust.
My friend was the flu vaccinator at her hospital for a few years in a row. The most common reason for the nurses not taking the flu vaccine was given as not caring if they got flu as at least they would get a bloody rest at home... Says it all about the working conditions of your typical NHS nurses (in normal times, let alone now), rather take their chances with flu than the working conditions on a hospital ward.
Devlesko · 09/03/2021 18:03

@ewee

Museum, can you please explain why the recovery rate overall is 99.8%?

Maybe some other information might actually stagger you - it is data produced by the ONS, no less.

They have released their provisional data for mortality for 2020 (all-cause deaths per '000 of population). They have this data going back to 1942 - 79 years.

On an age-standardised basis (which means adjusting for ageing of the population and gender mix), where do you think 2020 ranks in those 79 years.

68th!

You don't believe me, do you?

Do you have the stats for how many people in the UK have died from covid, not just tested positive in 28 days, or how they were recording it before, I forget now. I can't find them now, but not all that long ago it was in the 700's.
poppycat10 · 09/03/2021 18:04

Those who don’t want to take the vaccine will soon find themselves ostracized by not being allowed to go to bars, restaurants, theatres, on holiday, etc

And all of us will have the pointless hassle of having to prove we've been vaccinated Everywhere We Go. Be careful what you wish for.

ViciousJackdaw · 09/03/2021 18:07

Maybe we could split everyone into three groups. Jabbed, unable and unwilling. I hate to think of people being made to feel 'unclean' in circumstances beyond their control.

doublehalo · 09/03/2021 18:07

[quote nearlyhellokitty]@doublehalo so what about those that get vaccinated, adn then because others are unvaccinated, new lockdowns occur in the more unvaccinated areas and their freedom is curtailed? Is there not a responsibility to be vaccinated if you can? Otherwise it's just being a free rider. how do we protect those who have been responsible?[/quote]
Lockdowns and spikes are going to continue regardless. The vaccine doesn't stop people catching or transmitting covid. There will be new strains etc - Covid is here to stay.

There will always be some percentage of people who for whatever reason can't have the vaccine. Why should they be punished?

I've had Covid and neither want nor need the vaccine. Why should I be punished?

newusername2009 · 09/03/2021 18:11

I won’t get vaccinated unless I have to, I also don’t get the flu jab. Consider myself low risk, had COVID by the way. I know a lot of people who don’t plan to have vaccination if there is a choice. Of course if vaccination passports, or something along those lines, actually happen then I won’t have a choice anymore.

I don’t consider myself an idiot 😀 but I also don’t take medication etc unless I really need it. Why would I want to take a vaccination that really we won’t fully know what effects are for some years. If I was vulnerable in anyway the decision to vaccinate would be weighted towards a vaccination.

By the way there is no proof that being vaccinated means you can’t carry the virus so there is no need to be rude to people who make a different choice.

XenoBitch · 09/03/2021 18:11

@ViciousJackdaw

Maybe we could split everyone into three groups. Jabbed, unable and unwilling. I hate to think of people being made to feel 'unclean' in circumstances beyond their control.
Or maybe no labels for anyone at all. There must be something in the vaccine that is making people lose their minds and happy to give up all their rights and privacy.
Bertiebiscuit · 09/03/2021 18:13

Don't understand anyone being bonkers enough to refuse the covid vax - I cried with relief when I got my appointment - but I think those who are this ridiculous will find they can't go anywhere or get served in pubs clubs and restaurants so I'm guessing they will have to climbdown at some point and see sense

honeybee88 · 09/03/2021 18:18

Chances of someone coughing and sneezing at you and you catching it is 1%. Get real. More likely to die in a car crash.

honeybee88 · 09/03/2021 18:23

Sorry I meant chances are 1 in a 1000 of dying if someone coughs or sneezes at you and you catch it.

nannawend · 09/03/2021 18:23

Okay to have freedom of choice but don't expect a hospital bed if you get ill that would be taken from someone who has been on the NHS waiting list for a treatment for some time. Don't expect to get on an airplane and endanger people who have been responsible enough to get vaccinated to protect themselves AND others. Don't expect to come in to my shop and potentially contaminate me and my staff, who will all have been vaccinated. All choices in life have consequences and freedom to choose to put others at risk should result in those others deciding how they interact with you. I would also never employ a person who cannot prove to me they had not safeguarded themselves and their work colleagues.

Viviennemary · 09/03/2021 18:26

Not really bothered about vaccine refusers. They don't affect me.

Zandathepanda · 09/03/2021 18:27

News from Israel newspaper:
‘Due to the high immunization rate among the adult population, the composition of those infected and critically ill has changed in recent weeks. Children and adolescents aged 0 to 19 constitute more than 43 percent of all new patients, and those aged 20 to 39 constitute 35 percent of them.’

This was 24 Feb. I think the percentages of children as covid patients will go up but hopefully not overall numbers. I don’t think the government will go on about the percentages of age groups anymore!

ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmmmmmmmm · 09/03/2021 18:28

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Bythemillpond · 09/03/2021 18:33

I won’t be having the vaccine. I have more than likely had Covid and been around people who were infected since then and not caught it again. The reason I don’t want it is because I don’t want to be ill.
Firstly I can’t afford to be ill and secondly I don’t want to be ill.
I have had the flu jab twice as an adult and was completely floored by it both times. Never again. I will take my chance with the flu.
I have been vaccinated as a child and had reactions from the vaccine and needed medical intervention.

I cannot see how the vaccine is going to help me all I can see is how ill I will be.

MsAlva · 09/03/2021 18:36

@ViciousJackdaw

Maybe we could split everyone into three groups. Jabbed, unable and unwilling. I hate to think of people being made to feel 'unclean' in circumstances beyond their control.
Marvellous plan. There used be a similar idea about some races being more clean than others. Obviously the segregation didn't, but maybe we can do that with vaccinated and unvaccinated? And some people wonder how Hitler got to the power, ffs.
MsAlva · 09/03/2021 18:37

segregation didn't work out*

leafygarden42 · 09/03/2021 18:37

The vaccine doesn't stop people catching or transmitting covid

Surely that is the whole point of a vaccine???

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