Deflated after tonights press conference

[TFInearlyspring]

Hi,

Was starting to feel a bit more positive - a bit lighter, but it sounds as though people are already behaving like we're out of lockdown, according to latest hotspot data.

I felt a difference earlier today when walking the dogs. I noticed there were bigger groups together, likely not the same household. I haven't seen this in such bulk for months.

Please someone tell me this is just a blip.

@Toilenstripes

Government: end of lockdown might be in July England: woohoo, end of lockdown is now

This.

@Moondust001

No one is enjoying lockdown, this is such a childish remark. Your post contains many exagerrated comparisons - Ebola, asteroids, intelligent apes...There is risk of a variant that the vaccine is not effective against. Hopefully that won't happen. There is no predicting whether any variant that comes along will be better, or worse. This is not news.

No it isn't childish to say that some people are enjoying lockdown too much. There is far too much jubilation every time some people can proclaim "told you so" despite what they told people being totally wrong; or poke their nose into other peoples business and, if they are really lucky, they can rat them out.

Yes there is a risk of a variant that the vaccines aren't effective against. It hasn't happened. So why are people running around trying to wind up the hysteria that it might happen? Anything might happen. The fact remains that something is going to be responsible for the death of every human being at some point in time. If you don't manage to get any life in before that time, what the hell is the point?

There are plenty of doomsayers on these boards who demonstrate on a daily basis that if it were not for lockdown then they would have nothing in their lives. If they weren't busy minding everyone else's business, what on earth would they do?

Can't you see that it's everyone's business if people are breaking the rules?

Nobody mentions long covid, lots of people under 50, fit healthy people are left with longer term health problems. We are a very long way from herd immunity.

@mushroom3

Nobody mentions long covid, lots of people under 50, fit healthy people are left with longer term health problems. We are a very long way from herd immunity.

Because thousands of people up and down the land already live with all types of conditions. Post viral illness is not new and some people will just need to suck it up.

@mushroom3

Nobody mentions long covid, lots of people under 50, fit healthy people are left with longer term health problems. We are a very long way from herd immunity.

Is this a joke? Everyone mentions 'long covid'. It's a bit of an MN obsession, although 'variants' are more fashionable these days. Good thing it only affects a small minority of people.

Too early / too quickly = opening schools in March and all done by June, when Sage have warned of hospitalisation numbers worse than in January. It's precisely to avoid lockdowns, protect the economy, the NHS, people's livelihoods, mental health, education, that they need to be cautious.

A winter peak might have been inevitable, but they were warned of the scale of what would happen if they relaxed the rules in December and it turned out even worse. Now they have been warned about the consequences of opening up April-June and they're sending millions of children back to school in March.

@Moondust001 some people prefer to think things through ahead of time, some people don't. There's room for both types of people.

Personally I think we have a higher chance of avoiding future lockdowns (which I hate) if we take moderate care.

Other people prefer to leave it all to chance I guess.

On Tuesday when I went to the post office across the road from y house the traffic was horrific (I live on the main road) , all Of lockdown I have been able to typically walk straight across with no cars coming either way, it took ages. I wasn’t surprised tbh, the stupidity of people I 2as just pissed off I was inconvenienced.

Cases are on the increase in my area. It’s so depressing. We’re all fed up of it but why do so many people fail to understand that breaking the rules just prolongs this.

" I really don’t feel it was a risk in anyway but I wouldn’t dream of meeting indoors at this point."

Yet you're presumably happy to send your children back to school next week, where they will be mixing indoors with many, many other people?
The difference is....???

You are doing your child more harm by not taking them to the park on a sunny day than covid ever could.

@Brunt0n

If we can’t go for a walk outside with mates after 19 million of the oldest and most vulnerable are vaccinated then when the hell can we?

I’ve followed every rule but god, a line has to be drawn!

This!

Blimey, people like Lunapeace leave me speechless. May you be lucky enough to be sucking nothing up, to use your less than charming idiom.

@Whatever9999

A big point was made that the link between case numbers and hospitalisation/deaths has been broken thanks to the vaccine. Sounds pretty positive to me!!!

I think it’s more likely down to the fact that we’ve been in lockdown rather than the vaccine right now!

@Ltdannygreen

On Tuesday when I went to the post office across the road from y house the traffic was horrific (I live on the main road) , all Of lockdown I have been able to typically walk straight across with no cars coming either way, it took ages. I wasn’t surprised tbh, the stupidity of people I 2as just pissed off I was inconvenienced.

Last time I checked, cars cant spread covid

Better stay in lockdown forever then. Tell the scientists to stop bothering with the vaccine.

@Downriver

Blimey, people like Lunapeace leave me speechless. May you be lucky enough to be sucking nothing up, to use your less than charming idiom.

My daughter is a doctor and she was told last spring that the most likely outcome would be that the virus would mutate to become more contagious but less deadly. Scientists are very familiar with coronaviruses (most colds are caused by coronaviruses) and that is what they do. Viruses do not want to kill their hosts, because they die also. They want to multiply and find new hosts, and becoming more contagious and less virulent is the evolutionary solution to that.

@Stellaris22

Why is it that whenever anyone is realistic they get accused of 'enjoying lockdown and wanting hospital deaths'? It's ridiculous, of course no one enjoys lockdown and restrictions.

Being cautious and recognising the government is repeating mistakes and giving out false hope is sensible. It's precisely because people care about reducing hospital deaths that we aren't planning for this magical summer we're being told is possible.

This,100%

I have noticed this too and it seems to always happen, when something is suggested as something we might be able to do in a few weeks or months, people just take the first mention of it as a sign they can do it straight away. Irony is that endangers the very loosening of rules we are all working towards....we maybe won’t be getting there on that future date if people fuck it up now.

@IcedPurple

I meant what is wrong with people in that they think it's ok to mix in large groups when it's fairly obvious we're not allowed to do that yet?

Right. So you disaproved of children playing together and their parents chatting. In other words you were tut-tutting at them. Not that they care.

Of course they don't care because they are incredibly selfish thats why they don't care. These children are going to be in classrooms with vulnerable children (who cannot be vaccinated) and children who have vulnerable parents (who have not been vaccinated yet) next week. But of course it won't matter to them if they pass covid around the class and it ends up in a vulnerable household and a child loses a parent...of course they will be probably all be out on the public mourning but in reality as long as they are OK they don't give a shit otherwise they wouldn't engage in such selfish actions. We are still in lockdown because not all of the people in the priority groups have been vaccinated yet.

Loads of people around in the parks near me today (noted on walk)
However looked like most were in family groups and socially distanced.

The weather has been nice today. I'm not surprised people wanted to get out.

Then continue staying inside if that's what you want to do. You can't expect everyone else to do the same. Many people see that there are other important things in life beyond covid.

Starting threads on MN ranting about families in the park on a sunny springlike day is the pointless. It won't change anything. All you can do is control your own behaviour.

CarbsafterMarbs, the point is that the ratio of cases:hospitalisation is dropping.

In simple terms, if 100 people have covid and 20 need hospital treatment that is 100:20.

With lockdown, less people would catch covid but you wouldn't expect the ratio to change much even if numbers drop. So in 50 people you would still expect 10 people to need hospitalisation, and so on. Of Cours this varies by age and underlying condition.

If the ratio of people needing inpatient care is dropping, that is great news.

I get the feeling that some people on MN are loving the doom and gloom and whenever things start to look a bit more positive they can't cope with it.

This. But the doommongers’ days are numbered!