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Employer disadvantaging and threatening staff who haven’t had the vaccine

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MrsFCastle · 23/02/2021 17:19

My partner works in health and social care. He isn’t an anti vaxxer. Just feels it’s too soon. His employer is furious and is threatening to stop offering shifts if they don’t get it. I’m genuinely concerned about his job security. Can they do this? Helpful replies only please. This isn’t a thread about anti/pro vax.

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KeepWashingThoseHands · 23/02/2021 22:04

@animalfarmagain

Are you suggesting that the OP was referring to side effects in the immediate term ie. sore arm, fever etc. for 24-48 in which case that’s ridiculous and is well documented. Long term side effects I can at least understand the question.

This is not a supply and demand issue. The question is long term side effects. I’m waiting for the great enlightened to inform the scientific community how to amass data on long term effects without a significant portion of the population both taking the vaccine and time elapsing.

Still waiting....

animalfarmagain · 23/02/2021 22:05

Southeast - thanks for the link, v useful.

Covidcorvid · 23/02/2021 22:08

@animalfarmagain

Southeast - thanks for the link, v useful.

It’s also incorrect.

QueenoftheAir · 23/02/2021 22:08

I wouldn’t want him on my staff.

And I wouldn’t want my elderly mother cared for by someone who refuses to have the vaccine if it were offered.

The sending from hospital of elderly COVID patients to nursing homes which were COVID free should have been seen as government sponsored corporate manslaughter.

Care workers who refuse the vaccine put their clients at risk.

Covidcorvid · 23/02/2021 22:10

The link which southeastastra provided seems to be about vaccination and the general population...saying there’s no mandatory vaccine for them for anything. Which is true.....but this thread is about healthcare workers. And as my screen shots and lived experience demonstrate for some workers it is mandatory. Well, I guess there’s a choice. Have the vaccine or leave the course. Have the vaccine or don’t get offered a job.

animalfarmagain · 23/02/2021 22:12

Or antigen/titer test?

southeastdweller · 23/02/2021 22:13

[quote endlesssnow]@southeastdweller I would not have been able to work as a learning disabled support worker without agreeing to have Hep B vaccinations.

I had to have a TB antibody test and when that failed a vaccination before I was cleared for work as a social worker in the north of England in an area with TB community transmission concerns. ( Other vaccinations were checked but I had a record for them)

I would not have been employed in either of these roles without being cleared by occupational health. To be cleared by occupational health I needed the vaccines. This was very clearly laid out as a condition of employment.

But they are there for everyone's protection. If you don't want to be vaccinated then social care and healthcare aren't the right area of work for you.

[/quote]
My sister is a SW working with people with LD's, employed by a nationwide company. I helped her with her application and the only checks they wanted were for a DBS.

HalzTangz · 23/02/2021 22:15

@reformedcharacters

Could he lie? Is proof provided with the vaccine?

You get a card with the vaccine batch and date vaccine taken. From watching the news tonight a lot of businesses are going to do this

Passthewinebottle · 23/02/2021 22:15

@MrsFCastle

For avoidance of doubt he definitely wouldn’t lie about getting it. That’s a ridiculous suggestion.

I think deep down he knows that getting it is the right thing to do. I’ve told him that if he doesn’t make up his mind very very soon he should definitely seek some official advice from union and or legal. Someone asked why he hasn’t joined before now....no idea why! Legal advice is likely to be costly and we don’t have money to burn. I’m not getting into a debate on vaccines, but some Very valid and interesting points on both sides of the fence. Thanks all for your replies.

I had an issue with my employer last year. I tried so many unions but they wouldn't assist with an issue that had already commenced :-/ Most had a 3 month 'wait' period. I hope he can get this sorted x

Covidcorvid · 23/02/2021 22:15

@animalfarmagain

Or antigen/titer test?

Nope. Not offered.

HalzTangz · 23/02/2021 22:17

@MrsFCastle

He's working I care industry, he's a risk to those he looks after if he's not vaccinated. The vaccine has passed safety tests and is now undergoing the biggest test yet. People wouldn't be mass vaccinated globally if it wasn't safe to give

Covidcorvid · 23/02/2021 22:18

Sorry, yes an antigen test could be offered. I’ve had one before when Occy heslth lost my records. But to have antigen to hep b you must have had the vaccine surely?

So pointless otherwise.

What you can’t be offered is an annual check to see if you’re hep b positive. Occy health won’t entertain it as by the time they’ve found it it’s too late.

PurpleWh1teGreen · 23/02/2021 22:19

@Bluetrews25

OP, when won't it be too soon? What timescale or specific evidence is he waiting for?

I work in healthcare
I have had to prove I am immune to rubella, TB, chicken pox, hep B.

If he doesn't want the vaccination, fine, but he can't have this kind of job. No-one is going to tie him down and jab him. But he may lose his job.

This. Healthcare workers are routinely vaccinated and screened. It is not a new thing.

People won’t pay for care homes where staff aren’t vaccinated.

Porcupineintherough · 23/02/2021 22:19

He feels it's too soon? How many care home residents have to die before it's the right time?

chaosrabbitland · 23/02/2021 22:19

@truthisalie

anti vaxxers is just a gaslighting term. People who are against this vaccine aren't against other vaccines so they can't be called anti vaxxers.

hear hear , there are quite a few on this thread who seem to feel ppl against this vaccine are practically commiting mass murder if they dont have it , opps shouldnt have said that , someone will shortly point out they are

animalfarmagain · 23/02/2021 22:19

Sounds like only mandatory for certain health jobs (EPP)? Sounds like it would depend on the specifics of the OP's partner's job.

FWIW I've worked (as a volunteer breastfeeding peer supporter in the 2000s) in the NHS - in close contact with babies and new mums - and although I had to complete occ health forms and attend training and pass modules (eg hand washing etc) my vaccination status was never checked.

GabsAlot · 23/02/2021 22:21

Dont know where all these poeple are that have been scked over it

i know someone working in care managerial but does see patients and they said legally they cant make her have a the covid vaccine

id like to see all these employers stand up in court and say theyre sacking thousands of people over it

endlesssnow · 23/02/2021 22:21

Southeast I'm not saying every social worker has to have vaccinations.
I was quite specific in saying that it was for a local authority which had a TB community transmission issue.
They insisted on vaccinations as a condition of employment.

I think that the Hep jabs are universal for healthcare and support workers, which was my role prior to being a SW and the field OP's DH is working in.

Barrantsvidal · 23/02/2021 22:22

All vaccines carry the risk of side effects. Most are mild.
A very, very, very small minority of people do suffer serious side effects.

Those are facts.

Dismissing worries and insulting someone's intelligence for asking questions is not going to convince anybody.
I'm pleased people are actually able to think for themselves and am happy to address concerns.
Sensible, rational and calm debate will convince a lot more people far quicker than shouting-down and name-calling.

animalfarmagain · 23/02/2021 22:23

@Porcupineintherough

He feels it's too soon? How many care home residents have to die before it's the right time?

The care home residents will be vaccinated. Stop creating drama. Do you think care home workers are vaccinated for every other disease as well? Not necessarily, because it is not mandatory. Someone's vaccination status is not their most important attribute - even in a care home.

chaosrabbitland · 23/02/2021 22:23

@FinallyHere

Just feels it’s too soon.

So wants others to go first, while he waits to see what happens?

Nice.

and so what if he does ? , judging by the comments on here there are plenty going to rushing out to have it without a moments hesitation so its not like its a major sin hes commiting is it ? maybe one could say hes being wise

HeronLanyon · 23/02/2021 22:24

Totally agree he should see his contract and join a union. Everyone employed should !
What does he mean ‘too soon’ his
answer to that is going to be at the heart of his employers position. If he says ‘too soon’ as a reason his employer won’t accept that.

What good reason might he have for exposing others in h and Sc setting to Increased risk by him not being vaccinated ?

endlesssnow · 23/02/2021 22:25

As I also said I was offered an antigen test and when that failed for TB I had a vaccination.

The more important general point is that people working in the sector have always had some level of vaccinations expected of them to enable safe working practices.

It is nothing new or different, just part of working in the field.

Mammyloveswine · 23/02/2021 22:25

Ffs I'm a teacher (and I've been working throughout with nursery children before anyone chimes in)..

I'd crawl on my hands and knees to get the vaccine!

I have no ppe, no social distancing and it's a matter of time before I get covid.

Your partner is being an idiot. What on Earth does he mean by "it's too soon?" Ffs.

I'll have his dose.

animalfarmagain · 23/02/2021 22:28

FWIW If I had a relative in a care home I would prefer a) the kindest carer, no matter what their health status, b) an unvaccinated carer who prioritised hygiene (eg stayed home if they had a heavy cold etc c) a vaccinated carer who didn't exercise such good hygiene measures.

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