If they open up schools all at once, I'm done with every other precaution

[BettyBoomerang]

If the 'leak' is true and they are stupid enough to open up all schools to all kids at the same time (thus leading to uncontrolled transmission of variants and increased risk of vaccine escape, further lockdowns and a redo of the vaccination programme) then I'm done with any kind of compliance.

I'm not staying at home like a fucking stupid sitting duck, waiting for my kids to come home with Covid anymore. The kids can see their friends, have sleepovers and we'll go out and about and visit friends and relatives and do the maximum we can.

You can pile in and call me selfish or whatever - I genuinely don't care anymore. I'm not putting my life on hold just for the government to fuck the recovery up again. I'm the most compliant of pretty much everyone I know but this is it for me, and many others I suspect (most of whom are already doing way more than me). If it's safe for my kids to go to school, then everything is safe.

only on mumsnet I think! Where there appears to be an army of teachers to back each other up

Thankfully most of the parents and teachers I know in real life are very keen to get back to school.

@GiveMeNovocain

In Wales we're muddling the opening. How will we know what has produced any uplift as we've got youngest back this week, a few more 3 weeks later, non essential shops and hairdressers at Easter and no clear plan for years 7-10. Do you really think that's a better plan?

I should imagine It's infants only as we are two weeks ahead opening. Agree a plan needs to be set out properly for secondary.

As to the rest it's just using what headroom they feel they have at the time in priority - I'm sure people with years 7-9 will be less than thrilled shops and hairdressers are open first

The schools opening does not mean it’s wise to do what you want. The government are reopening in stages to limit the spread of the virus whilst vaccinations are completed. Quite rightly, children’s education and welfare is the first priority.If people do not follow the rules we will very likely have another wave and be back to square one. Maybe even in a worse boat if we allow the virus to run rampant and mutate.

If people do not follow the rules we will very likely have another wave and be back to square one.

Exactly. And then they'll have to wait even longer until hairdressers and restaurants can reopen...?!

The schools opening does not mean it’s wise to do what you want. The government are reopening in stages to limit the spread of the virus whilst vaccinations are completed. Quite rightly, children’s education and welfare is the first priority.If people do not follow the rules we will very likely have another wave and be back to square one. Maybe even in a worse boat if we allow the virus to run rampant and mutate
This.

Sadly there's enough people, as a PP said, who can't see past the end of their nose. We've seen them all over mumsnet this year, the ones who think just popping for a cuppa doesn't count, or a play date doesn't count, or their travel doesn't count, or they don't see why they should wear a mask, or the posters who are horrible to OPs who have been verbally abused for asking someone to keep their distance, or the posters who think that anyone wanting rules followed so we can get back to school and normal life are the stasi.

What’s all this about another wave?!

You know we have vaccines now? You can’t have a wave if everyone is vaccinated - by wave no one cares if people get it and don't end up in hospital

@MrsHamlet

The OP is not "having a tantrum". Don't be so rude.

Not as rude as someone who is planning on doing things to increase the likelihood of her children being sick and then making many others in their school sick?

The whole point is that if schools are back, risks are higher and we should if anything be more careful for a bit, not less, to ensure we can get to the next opening.

@Violetlavenders

If people do not follow the rules we will very likely have another wave and be back to square one.

Exactly. And then they'll have to wait even longer until hairdressers and restaurants can reopen...?!

Baffled Just baffled that you think that.

More than 17 million vaccinated. Of the most vulnerable.

THAT is why no second wave

@Chewingle

Absolutely. But I think it's hard for some people to really believe that it's over or will be soon. It's a case of not getting their hopes up. It's been a really long haul so that's very understandable.

[quote Mittens030869]@Chewingle

Absolutely. But I think it's hard for some people to really believe that it's over or will be soon. It's a case of not getting their hopes up. It's been a really long haul so that's very understandable. [/quote]
I suspect in some cases - they don’t want lockdown to end because that may involve facing an unappealing life anyway. And so lockdown served as a mask to that. They wring their hands and warn of a second wave but actually - they just don’t want to face (insert weight gain / hated job / no social life etc)

@Chewingle - I am usually very optimistic and certainly not a ‘there’ll be another wave’ doom monger. I’m delighted the schools are going back but I think we need to be careful not to do as the OP has said she’s going to and see it as a green light to do whatever she likes as I think there is a danger of a big rise in infections if that happens.

It’s great that the vulnerable groups have been jabbed and this should hopefully keep hospitalisations and serious illness down but there’s still a lot of people yet to receive a vaccine. I certainly don’t think we should wait to start re-opening until everyone has been done but I do think we need to be following the carefully staged plan that has been set out to manage re-opening so that the Govt and scientists can clearly see the effects of each stage on infection rates/hospitalisations etc. and also monitor how effective the vaccines are.

@Chewingle many have only had their first dose, which is why we have a staggered re- opening of society. It’s not over yet as it will take time to fully vaccinate everyone. Therefore people need to follow the rules or risk a surge.

Plus there are supply issues

For those of you saying no more waves, you need to see the 4 different reports that the gov has based its lockdown release plan on. All of them predict a rise in transmission, and have modelled further waves. It's not a one person opinion.

Ride in transmission?
Yes

Wave
No

Rise

This thread might get added as a dictionary definition of belligerent.

We won’t eradicate COVID. More lockdown now or possible further restrictions down the line - Hobson’s choice.

And the “ I am not going to follow rules/guidelines” as children are in school will be an attire many have. Which is why, as a Group 6 teacher with no vaccine in sight, who was on the shielding list all of 2020 ( a Gp decided to remove me for reasons unknown) I am going to get signed off ill now and not go into work.

Whilst others decide it is ok to mix, as schools are open, I am scared for my life and health. I have not managed to eat a meal for many days due to the awful anxiety. Therefore, many children will not get a specialist teacher, I will be signed off so will not be setting or marking work and the children who need to do work for their teacher assessed grades for year 11 and yr 13 will not get them.

But it is ok to mix if kids are in school. I wish people with multiple health issues and regular hospitalisation with no vaccine can be in a school full-time unvaccinated with over 1000 students in a school.

• attitude

Government data from late last year clearly show that children are less likely to transmit the SARS-CoV-2 virus than adults. Even with the new "Kent" variant, B.1.1.7, only 9% of contacts of a 0-9 year old will be infected (roughly double the figures of the wild type virus), but this figure jumps to 20% of 30-39 year olds. Clearly adults mixing leads to more transmission. Furthermore, the prevelence in children reflects the prevelence in the community at large, suggesting there is no more transmission occurring in schools than outside.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/959360/Variant_of_Concern_VOC_202012_01_Technical_Briefing_3.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwig6rea44LvAhVGe8AKHeLlCzQQFjAAegQIAxAD&usg=AOvVaw3D38JMZU8IB77ekHyosytv

Adults are also far more likely to be hospitalised or suffer from "long Covid" than children. Several studies have shown that hospitalisation rates have increased with the B.1.1.7 variant and many of those currently hospitalised are under 64. Long Covid (symptoms extending more than 12 weeks) has been shown to affect ten percent of people infected with SARS-CoV-2. www.ons.gov.uk/news/statementsandletters/theprevalenceoflongcovidsymptomsandcovid19complications
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/961042/S1095_NERVTAG_update_note_on_B.1.1.7_severity_20210211.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjj7L784YLvAhVOQhUIHY6cB7UQFjABegQIAxAM&usg=AOvVaw1DLaqmVf57pQOSZUGnpYl2&cshid=1614179071449

A high prevelence of SARS-CoV-2, particularly in a partially vaccinated population, is likely to lead to the emergence of new vaccine resistant variants (like the E484K variant from South Africa, B1.351).
www.statnews.com/2021/02/05/what-scientists-know-variants-covid-19-vaccines/

It has been a difficult year and these issues are often highly emotive, but I think it is important to use facts to guide our behaviours.

The REACT study found levels of infection are being halved every 14.6 days. If the rate continues, the UK can expect to reach 1,000 cases a day by the second week of April.

Public Health England has a "high degree of confidence thatthe vaccineswill work against variants", including the Bristol variant of concern.

@RhubarbCrumbling

* Which is why, as a Group 6 teacher with no vaccine in sight, who was on the shielding list all of 2020 ( a Gp decided to remove me for reasons unknown) I am going to get signed off ill now and not go into work.*

You didn’t think to, you know, ask?

Chewingle
I'm sure your insight there really helped the PP

@BettyBoomerang

If the 'leak' is true and they are stupid enough to open up all schools to all kids at the same time (thus leading to uncontrolled transmission of variants and increased risk of vaccine escape, further lockdowns and a redo of the vaccination programme) then I'm done with any kind of compliance.

I'm not staying at home like a fucking stupid sitting duck, waiting for my kids to come home with Covid anymore. The kids can see their friends, have sleepovers and we'll go out and about and visit friends and relatives and do the maximum we can.

You can pile in and call me selfish or whatever - I genuinely don't care anymore. I'm not putting my life on hold just for the government to fuck the recovery up again. I'm the most compliant of pretty much everyone I know but this is it for me, and many others I suspect (most of whom are already doing way more than me). If it's safe for my kids to go to school, then everything is safe.

Go for it 😁👍