Looks like the plans are now leaked.

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The Times seems to have leaked the plans now. I for one will be very happy if children's outdoor sport starts on March 8.

March 8:
Schools
Kids outdoor sport
Golf + Tennis

Early April:
🛍Non-essential retail
Outdoor pubs + restaurants

Mid April:
Gyms

May:
Cinemas + Theatre
Indoor pubs + restaurants

August:
Foreign holidays
Clubs

@Motherdare

The bit about being allowed to meet one person outdoors... I thought you could already do that?

You can but you have to be exercising, on March 8th we will be able to stand still or even sit down if we want.

X posted there

The one thing I wish we would see - but I just do not see it happening - is the easy availability of easy, repeat testing (e.g. why not lateral flow testing when accessing certain facilities.....perhaps schools!........once a day or week?)

You can but you have to be exercising, on March 8th we will be able to stand still or even sit down if we want.

Erm, yes. Nice day, local park, all benches occupied, all in family groups of course, and I simply don't see a problem with that.

Cases aren't the issue.
Hospitalizations are.
We didnt go into lockdown to bring down cases.
We went into lockdown to stop the nhs being overwhelmed.
We now need to adjust to the idea that there will always be cases and it will always go up and down.

This^^

The supposed point was to stop preventable deaths by stopping the NHS being overwhelmed. Healthy people under 50 catching it isn’t a problem any more than colds, flu and norovirus are.

I think it’s appalling how slow the leaked proposals are - especially given the thousands businesses spent last year making their premises Covid secure. Get the country open again FFS!

@frakas well they’d probably like to know (like all brides) how many they will allowed.

15 is very different from 50.

Will play a part in people’s decision making. Thought that would be obvious by now.

What about uk holidays

It seems that if the PM is going to mention the various lists on these threads , he'll be there all night. There will be so many 'ifs and buts 'I'm sure.

I find this all miserable.
Hairdressers and a lack of uk holidays?
Not phasing schools back in gradually.
I feel fed up.

Just read the SKy News summary. It seems that there will be five weeks between each change so we get the first changes ie schools opening and then five weeks later, if the transmission rates, hospital admissions etc don’t increase, there will be further changes and again the five weeks after that.

Seems a better approach than last year. Boris isn’t going to want another u- turn and further lockdown.

well they’d probably like to know (like all brides) how many they will allowed.

100 clearly won't be allowed.

If I were getting married this year I'd postpone til 2022 if I planned on having any more than 15 guests, maybe 30 if lucky.

@NearlyAlwaysInsane have you heard of a little journal called the Lancet. The role of schools and school-aged children in SARS-CoV-2 transmission
Stefan Flasche
W John Edmunds Published:December 08, 2020DOI:doi.org/10.1016/S1473-3099(20)30927-0

When will libraries open? Last time they reopened the same time as the gyms. My local libraries were shut March-September/October.

Thank goodness for the schools reopening

@TooTiredToCoo

When will libraries open? Last time they reopened the same time as the gyms. My local libraries were shut March-September/October.

Our library is open. They have a good set up

Takeaways are open too.

@Mythymist

Some couples have already postponed once. Or have already paid in full. And don’t want to 2 years, but still hope they can have a reasonably large group. Can you grasp that?

We were allowed 30 last year so I think 30 ‘if lucky’ is pessimistic. 100, probably not - 50, yes. Weddings are very easy to track and trace, lateral flow testing. A lot less risky then the fucking schools.

What’s the magic bullet that will fix it all in 2022 if the vaccines aren’t it?

The whole plan is ludicrous and far too quick.If only he wouldn't give in to the pressure to shove kids back asap and actually think of society as a whole.

Still as long as kids/parents get what they want/need then who cares about the rest of us...

BBC news article 1hr ago

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-56153751

Parents will also want to know whether all pupils will go back on 8 March or if that is the starting point of a more flexible, phased return.

Parents will want clarification over whether all pupils in all age groups in all schools are going back on 8 March - or whether this is the starting point for a more gradual return.

MN seems to think everyone is back on the 8th... ?

What’s the magic bullet that will fix it all in 2022 if the vaccines aren’t it?

Low community transmission & aggressive test and tracing. As has been said all along.

When we are still at 9k cases per day, it's too soon to open up.

@Mythymist

We aren’t ‘opening up’ yet.

Sending the schools back soon is a joke BUT it’s all anyone has been screeching about for months.

Some couples have already postponed once. Or have already paid in full. And don’t want to 2 years, but still hope they can have a reasonably large group. Can you grasp that?

Of course I can, I'm not stupid. I understand why people are upset. What I don't understand is why anyone would think there was even a remote possibility of a wedding of 100 people being allowed in June

@downriver yes, and this is from that article:

'In their assessment of the partial reopening of educational settings in the UK in June and early July, when SARS-CoV-2 prevalence was relatively low, Sharif Ismail and colleagues’ study published in The Lancet Infectious Diseases reassuringly found that despite a median of 928 000 children attending educational settings daily, few SARS-CoV-2 outbreaks were identified.3 Where secondary cases linked to within-school exposure were found, these were more frequently among teaching and administrative staff.

The authors did, however, find some evidence of within-school transmission in 55 (31%) of 177 instances where cases were identified. '

So, 1.) your article reports using pretty old data by now, and still fails to find much to prove your point that schools caused the second lockdown.

@jomeow1. - we were due a three weddings last year. None of which were able to take place.
Two of the couples wanted big guest lists (c250-300) and have postponed to summer of 2022. The other couple just want to get married and will go the Registry Office as soon as they are allowed and have the wedding party much later on.
Another wedding we were due at has been cancelled, they are going to have a baby and sort the wedding out at a much later date.

@BettysButtons I am really hoping it is more of a flexible/some years only approach. I am all for kids getting back to school but not at all costs.

Right when are the hairdressers open

Asking for my roots.