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Vaccine rollout in Europe

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Baileysforchristmas · 19/02/2021 16:52

The vaccine rollout in Europe is turning into a complete disaster.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/19/german-politicians-counter-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-scepticism-with-show-of-support

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 27/02/2021 10:39

@Guinan So the UK vaccine rollout is not ahead of others because the UK threw more money at the problem earlier, as people have been claiming for ages, but only because they are better at exploiting others acting in good faith?

No, that's a separate payment. The UK paid more than the EU for vaccine development,as has been stated a few times. I haven't seen anything that contradicts this yet. Other EU countries also paid towards development separately. THIS payment was for the vaccines themselves. The EU paid upfront, at a fixed price that they dickered over, driving the price of an 'at cost' vaccine down.

The UK paid on account and allowed AZ to increase charges if there were unforeseen costs, or reduce the price if all went well. But added a bit more clout to the delivery arrangement in return.

It's all there, in both of those links!

CuriousaboutSamphire · 27/02/2021 10:44

And it really doesn't matter of the EU, separate EU countries want AZ or not! They have other choices, with more coming online.

What DOES matter is/was the negative press based on poor understanding of what vaccines actually do; fear of having fucked up and general disinformation. THAT has inculcated a sense of fear of the AZ vaccine. It has been called "cheap and ineffective" many time, by the press, politicians and other worthies in many countries. WHich has led to reduced uptake. Tell me why anyone should walk away from that responsibility!

Tellingly, South Africa, for whom it IS measurable less effective, was not one of those countries. They shared their data with the UK, made sensible, population specific decisions and got on with their vaccination rollout.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 27/02/2021 10:46

Ye gods!

Every country in Europe has more people completely vaccinated per capita than the UK. Completely? That means bugger all. As has been explained ad nauseum by real virologists and epidemiologists!

And let's face it, the UK did a great job contract wise and have enough contracted to vaccinate the population 4 times over. Let's see what happens the spares. Already happening. Or did you miss the G7?

bluewanda · 27/02/2021 10:51

Completely? That means bugger all. As has been explained ad nauseum by real virologists and epidemiologists!

This!

MarshaBradyo · 27/02/2021 11:41

Ha Curious good posts.

MarshaBradyo · 27/02/2021 11:42

The ha because I sense and share the frustration but glad because you’ve replied and now I don’t have to Grin

CuriousaboutSamphire · 27/02/2021 15:28

I fume but to serve 😁

Sgtmajormummy · 27/02/2021 17:54

The new head of the Italian government announced today that in the short term they will be offering 2 million “first dose only” vaccines by releasing the 30% stock held for second doses.

Similar to the UK, banking on the idea that supply will soon be increased and the 30% can be built up again.

The J&J single dose vaccine will also be prioritized for under 55s.

newstart1234 · 27/02/2021 19:29

I there any information on when Italy is expecting to get jansson vaccine deliveries?

Baileysforchristmas · 27/02/2021 20:03

It looks like Germany are thinking about changing their minds on Astrazeneca advice, link below if you can read German

www.zdf.de/nachrichten/panorama/corona-mertens-astrazeneca-100.html

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Sgtmajormummy · 27/02/2021 21:33

@newstart1234

I there any information on when Italy is expecting to get jansson vaccine deliveries?
A quick search tells me distribution may start “by the end of March”, with a possible production site in Frosinone.
EveryDayIsADuvetDay · 27/02/2021 21:46

...in the UK where a dynamic leader 😂😂😂

Who brings in quarantine when coming into the country a year too late🤣🤣🤣
Lets ministers give all their mates, neighbours, mates of neighbours contracts & huge commission payments to supply stuff they have no knowledge about and turns out to be unusable😅😅😅
Tosses squillions up the wall on inefficient track and trace systems😣😣😣

I'm not a huge Boris fan
Needs some dynamite up him, he's anything but dynamic.

And yes, the vaccine roll out is going well in terms of numbers, but I know of a 90+ year old that hasn't had a vaccination invitation, a 50+ year old with diabetes, no invitation. Healthy 40+ yo vaccinated today.
And many central London centres operating well below capacity.

EveryDayIsADuvetDay · 27/02/2021 21:53

Macron - gritted teeth?
Didn't he have a mask on? 😷🤣

Baileysforchristmas · 28/02/2021 06:31

www.politico.eu/article/trapped-in-germany-covid-coronavirus-nightmare/

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3asAbird · 28/02/2021 07:05

The issue is they want vaccines but only certain ones.

Phizer or moderna. Has moderma deliveries andVaccinations started yet as last I read moderna 1st delivery to Europe was mid Feb and revised downwards.
Uk would be after as he ordered after one might use the expression 1st come 1st served but really its about the nitty gritty details of the contract.
I think phizer still slow to Increase production.
Az Europe is having issues producing the quantities ordered.
I don't know if its yeild issues .
Other vaccine manufacturers had issues find European factories to be partners.
Moderna I think is made Switzerland and think janson and janson will be made there too but don't think they online yet they only just got approval from FDA America and thought they still in final trial and it had lower levels of success than the Oxford az jab.

Have Europe done a deal with valneva or norovax?
When is german curevac online.
Problem is so Many orders but not much over next 3 to 6months.
Eu may have placed the orders but up the each country how much each brand they wanted.
Oxford az being the cheapest really would have benefited the poorer eu countries as 4 quid versus 15 to 20 quid for Phizer and moderna is quite the difference.
I expect some eu countries like Czech Republic,🇭🇺 Hungary and Italy don't feel like they all in this together with many countries in east taking their own action.
It seems movement of people will be restricted.

How bad is France right now?
Do they another lockdown?
Macron being under 65 saying he would ha az jab how will that help now.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9303073/Emmanuel-Macron-says-Oxford-vaccine.html

miimblemomble · 28/02/2021 07:11

@notimagain

Politico.eu podcast had an interview with a journalist who was present at Macron’s interview when he made the comments about the AZ vaccine. “The real problem on AstraZeneca is that it doesn’t work the way we were expecting it to,” Macron told a group of reporters, including POLITICO, in Paris. “We’re waiting for the EMA [European Medicines Agency] results, but today everything points to thinking it is quasi-ineffective on people older than 65, some say those 60 years or older.”

It’s not clear to anyone whether this is what he meant to say, or if he expressed himself badly (he was doing the interview in English AFAIK), or if he’s misunderstood something further back, or even a combination of these things.

How has it played out in France? Hard to say. We have such a huge anti vax / hesitant population, maybe he was deliberately setting out to show how stringent and safety conscious the french gouvernement is being, compared to the reckless Brits :-) and got his phrasing wrong, or maybe it was a genuine error that he felt he couldn’t admit to. But atm the vaccination programme is absolutely crawling along, and weirdly it has dropped off the front pages of the papers completely. We have massive logistical problems to overcome, the french health system is set up for high quality, individualistic, treatment and does not lend itself to mass campaigns - which are treated with suspicion by many french people.

It’s frustrating watching from the inside.

notimagain · 28/02/2021 07:17

How bad is France right now?
Do they another lockdown?

As with all countries it depends where you are...it's not great "up north" or in the south east in around Nice, elsewhere like it is round our neck of the woods the rates are low.

Even if you can't read french there's lots of pretty charts and maps to look at here:

covidtracker.fr/covidtracker-france/

My own feeling is there's a need for a lockdown in some regions right now, but that's touchy politically and coincidentally Hmm one of the school zones still has a week of the winter holidays to run.

notimagain · 28/02/2021 07:22

@miimblemomblei

the french health system is set up for high quality, individualistic, treatment and does not lend itself to mass campaigns - which are treated with suspicion by many french people.

I know, I've never had any complaints until the vax campaign came along.

Throughout the last year some ongoing treatment I have needed has continued on schedule without delay or interruption. As you say however the system doesn't seem to be suited to an almost " brute force" campaign.

It’s frustrating watching from the inside.

Yes it is..

3asAbird · 28/02/2021 07:43

Thanks update on France guess bigger cities always more of an issue.
Will check with my aunt my cousins relocated to near city in the North i think with his French partner and 2 young children.

MrsFezziwig · 28/02/2021 08:54

Politico.eu podcast had an interview with a journalist who was present at Macron’s interview when he made the comments about the AZ vaccine. “The real problem on AstraZeneca is that it doesn’t work the way we were expecting it to,” Macron told a group of reporters, including POLITICO, in Paris. “We’re waiting for the EMA [European Medicines Agency] results, but today everything points to thinking it is quasi-ineffective on people older than 65, some say those 60 years or older.”

This interview is from a month ago. Both I and another poster linked to where he has said a few days ago that he has done an about-turn and said that he would be happy to have the AZ vaccine - guess the damage is already done though.

MrsFezziwig · 28/02/2021 08:55

This interview is from a month ago. Both I and another poster linked to where he has said a few days ago that he has done an about-turn

Sorry, poor editing! He didn’t admit to an about turn but that is basically what he did.

Dongdingdong · 28/02/2021 09:28

Four in five AZ vaccines delivered to EU not used:

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/25/acceptance-problem-as-most-oxford-covid-jabs-delivered-to-eu-not-yet-used

Baileysforchristmas · 28/02/2021 09:34

It’ll be interesting what happens in the next 12 months, I love Europe though and was hoping to go on a couple of trips in the summer, that is looking further and further away now.

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Parker231 · 28/02/2021 09:57

I’ll be travelling to Belgium as soon as I’ve had my vaccinations and the travel restrictions are lifted - my DD started working there in September and my parents also live there.

Sgtmajormummy · 28/02/2021 10:21

Oh dear, ineffective journalism from the Guardian, of all people.
Of course if you’re vaccinating majority 80+ year olds you’re not going to use a vaccine with dubious efficacy on that age group...