Vaccine rollout in Europe

[Baileysforchristmas]

The vaccine rollout in Europe is turning into a complete disaster.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/19/german-politicians-counter-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-scepticism-with-show-of-support

@FatCatThinCat

This is due to the high number of acute allergic reactions being reported by vaccinators.

Please could you provide links for this so as to not worry others unnecessarily?

A quick search brought back the following for Sweden and AZ, and it only mentions mild reactions which we are already aware of (e.g. fever). There's no mention of 'allergic reactions' (that's what Pfizer was criticised for)

www.thelocal.se/20210213/two-swedish-regions-pause-astra-jabs-after-side-effects

@Baileysforchristmas

I think Macron heard me, France has now approved AZ for the elderly

www.politico.eu/article/french-government-opens-door-to-astrazeneca-vaccine-for-the-elderly/

I hope this might give Europeans confidence in the vaccine, now I am happy 😊

Thats postive move but maybe too late if citizens refuse to have it. I was shocked read today that France has 35k cases today and they not even in lockdown but they do have a curfew. In the UK we don't hear much detail how rest Europe are doing in terms cases and deaths not vaccines.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9298717/French-vaccination-drive-slow-prevent-wave.html

The issue is so many on both sides of the channel have made derogatory comments about other countries decisions and made politics out of what should be equally important to the whole world.
So many publicly dissing Oxford AZ before all the science is back.
So much of Europe been highly critical of 🇬🇧 the British virus. Worst deaths. Rushing too fast with vaccines.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/uk-approved-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-too-quickly-eu-politicians-2020-12%3famp

The eu also made digs about Israel sharing health records with phizer.

I agree the media has been dire and enjoyed the drama and the conflict the vaccines has caused.

I want Macron to apologise for his stupid comments, it has been reported today he said he would have AZ vaccine through gritted teeth

There was a clip on News at Ten. He didn’t apologise, but I didn’t notice any gritted teeth (think you’re being a bit over-sensitive there). I can say he did what in France I believe is known as a volte-face

Frank Walter Steinmeier ( German President) has said that choosing or refusing a vaccine is 'Ein ziemliches Luxus Problem' or in English ' First World or Luxury Problem ' and that all vaccines available 'verdienen unsere Vertrauen' or deserve to be trusted.He was appealing to those in Germany who have reservations against the Astra Zeneca vaccine . He has reiterated that the vaccines are researched and effective.
Markus Söder the Bavarian State Minister has also stated that the Astra Zeneca vaccine will now be offered outside the planned designated groups if uptake continues to be slow , of course that will be up for debate no doubt amongst the Länder or federal states.
Again we can thank the European yellow press for their fear mongering and in many cases extreme jingoism .

www.politico.eu/article/germany-coronavirus-vaccine-conundrum-oxford-astrazeneca/

@3asAbird

The Robert Koch institute (RKI) numbers for Friday in Germany with a population of 83 million
9997 new infections
394 Deaths
Inzidenz 62,1
Numbers up from the day before and will probably go up over the weekend as the weather has been very spring like and people are out and about , kids are back at school and the curfew in Bavaria has been dropped .Most importantly next week the hairdressers are opening again!

My DD is a frontline medic in Bulgaria. She got AZ yesterday and tells me that Bulgaria is avoiding the current fate of Slovakia and Czech Republic as they are vaccinating aggressively (with AZ)

DH’s aunt in Spain still hasn’t heard anything about getting the vaccine and neither have any of her friends (all in their 70s and 80s).

@Baileysforchristmas

No I don’t want it to fail, I want to visit Europe, I love Europe, I want the EU to sort it out and not waste vaccines, I want Macron to apologise for his stupid comments, it has been reported today he said he would have AZ vaccine through gritted teeth 😊

Has Mr Macron made another comment, if so a citation please, otherwise... or is that more output from the UK MSM?

If you listen to the original interview from several days ago that started all this fuss you'll find Mr Macron's initial comment was made during an interview on a non vaccine related topic.

He was bounced with a question about the AZ product and his comment was that it's efficacy was unclear in the over 65s (which at the time was true) and so at that time France was not recommending the vaccine for that age group (which at that time was true)..his comments
have been, err, shall we say "paraphrased", especially be certain elements of the MSM.

In recent days Mr Castex (the French PM) has been promoting all the vaccines, including AZ and as mentioned upthread the AZ product is available in France and is being given to the over 65s.

The EU are talking about export control going out of the EU. How hypocritical when they don’t want to use the vaccines they have

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/25/eu-leaders-to-pledge-quicker-provision-of-covid-vaccine

Bailey - you seem incredibly anti EU.

[quote turquoisewaters]@FatCatThinCat

This is due to the high number of acute allergic reactions being reported by vaccinators.

Please could you provide links for this so as to not worry others unnecessarily?

A quick search brought back the following for Sweden and AZ, and it only mentions mild reactions which we are already aware of (e.g. fever). There's no mention of 'allergic reactions' (that's what Pfizer was criticised for)

www.thelocal.se/20210213/two-swedish-regions-pause-astra-jabs-after-side-effects[/quote]
Anledningen ska vara att ett fåtal personer har fått akuta allergiska reaktioner efter att de vaccinerats.

www.dn.se/sverige/vaccinerade-fick-allergiska-reaktioner-nu-pausas-specifik-dos-astra-zeneca-vaccin/

I'm in Belgium, the reason why so few of our AZ vaccines have been used, is not due to people refusing the AZ vaccine. There are some that would prefer the Pfizer vaccine (there are some in the UK too, according to what I read on here), but most will happily accept any vaccine that's offered. The stock in our fridges is due to

1. late and incomplete deliveries by AZ, a large portion of the stock has been delivered very recently and is still in the central deposit location
2. because of the late and incomplete deliveries, the vaccine centers start inviting people only after the vaccines are delivered at the vaccine center, to avoid inviting people and then having to cancel due to a lack of vaccines
3. administrative failures that make it difficult to reach the people that are next on the list for vaccination At the start of the vaccination with Pfizer, there were similar problems and lots of time was lost at the start-up phase, but things are running smoothly now. It's just a matter of a few weeks and then hopefully the AZ vaccine stock will also be used quickly.

I work in a large hospital and received an invitation for vaccination with the AZ vaccine yesterday. All my colleagues are happy about AZ and want the vaccine.

I imagine it's similar reasons why other European countries have large unused stock of the AZ vaccine.

[quote Baileysforchristmas]The EU are talking about export control going out of the EU. How hypocritical when they don’t want to use the vaccines they have

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/25/eu-leaders-to-pledge-quicker-provision-of-covid-vaccine[/quote]
The EU are upset that AZ are shipping EU produced vaccine to U.K. and very undelivering on their EU orders.

Are AZ doing that? I don’t think so

www.politico.eu/article/eu-leaders-face-covid-trap-as-pandemic-fatigue-kicks-in-and-vaccine-rollout-remains-slow-going/

www.politico.eu/article/pharma-is-both-friend-and-foe-to-eu-lawmakers-as-bloc-fights-for-more-coronavirus-vaccines/

Has Mr Macron made another comment, if so a citation please, otherwise... or is that more output from the UK MSM?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9303073/Emmanuel-Macron-says-Oxford-vaccine.html?ito=email_share_article-top

You could have read my previous post which mentioned Macron’s latest statement, shown on BBC news last night, but now you’ve forced me to reference the Daily Mail

but now you’ve forced me to reference the Daily Mail

It'll wash off.

Seems like the UK just negotiated a better contract than the EU:

theconversation.com/the-uks-speedy-covid-19-vaccine-rollout-surprise-success-or-planned-perfection-155922

guyverhofstadt.medium.com/two-contracts-lots-of-questions-and-not-nearly-enough-vaccines-cf1c2380cf29

@MrsFezziwig

Apologies for forcing people in the direction of the DM..

I was querying whether Mr Macron actually literally said he would have the AZ product "through gritted teeth"?

It's nothing something I've not heard him say it so I wondered whether it was a bad translation, or something he said was being paraphrased and/or miss reported in the MSM...not that they do that sort of thing..

[quote Dongdingdong]Seems like the UK just negotiated a better contract than the EU:

theconversation.com/the-uks-speedy-covid-19-vaccine-rollout-surprise-success-or-planned-perfection-155922

guyverhofstadt.medium.com/two-contracts-lots-of-questions-and-not-nearly-enough-vaccines-cf1c2380cf29[/quote]
All of which seems to confirm that this was The Pandemic Plan all along!

@notimagain
I was querying whether Mr Macron actually literally said he would have the AZ product "through gritted teeth"?

Yes, he said he would have it - that was shown on the BBC news clip as well as quoted in the link. No, it didn’t appear to be “through gritted teeth” - that was stated by another poster and I’m not sure what their source was.

[quote MrsFezziwig]**@notimagain
I was querying whether Mr Macron actually literally said he would have the AZ product "through gritted teeth"?

Yes, he said he would have it - that was shown on the BBC news clip as well as quoted in the link. No, it didn’t appear to be “through gritted teeth” - that was stated by another poster and I’m not sure what their source was.[/quote]
@MrsFezziwig

Yep Mr Macron has certainly made clear in the French Press/media without a sign of any "gritted teeth" or crossed fingers behind the back that he's willing to take the AZ product when/if offered...but he'd better be behind me in the line..

[quote Dongdingdong]Seems like the UK just negotiated a better contract than the EU:

theconversation.com/the-uks-speedy-covid-19-vaccine-rollout-surprise-success-or-planned-perfection-155922

guyverhofstadt.medium.com/two-contracts-lots-of-questions-and-not-nearly-enough-vaccines-cf1c2380cf29[/quote]
According to the second article:
"Remember that the EU has paid €336 million upfront to support production, before the products existed and had been authorized. The UK however only pays on invoice 30 days áfter delivery. So in effect the EU has helped pre-fund the production of vaccines that the UK only has to pay for afterwards."

So the UK vaccine rollout is not ahead of others because the UK threw more money at the problem earlier, as people have been claiming for ages, but only because they are better at exploiting others acting in good faith?

Wow, that really shows the superiority of the UK approach.

(I don't believe that - I do believe that you need better sources.)

The UK paid a lot more to set up vaccine plants, infrastructure and scientific resources, it’s not just what the UK paid for the vaccines.

It could also be Plazebo effect

Oh FFS it's called a placebo effect Op. Stop talking, have you read the articles you post.

The EU don't need the AstraZeneca vaccine. The US don't either. Every country in Europe has more people completely vaccinated per capita than the UK. And let's face it, the UK did a great job contract wise and have enough contracted to vaccinate the population 4 times over. Let's see what happens the spares.You sound very young, posting links in lieu of speaking for yourself.