Vaccine rollout in Europe

[Baileysforchristmas]

The vaccine rollout in Europe is turning into a complete disaster.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/19/german-politicians-counter-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-scepticism-with-show-of-support

@TheKeatingFive

I don’t see any point in sending AZ to the EU

We’d be delighted to get extra supply in Ireland, the EU is not one homogenous entity.

Yes agree. Ireland is much more like the U.K. in terms of vaccine acceptance/ take up and similarly pragmatic. We have a lot in common in that regard ( and many other regards too!) I can’t see AZ sitting on the shelves in Ireland because people might get a headache and a couple of aching muscles plus an Irish female scientist helped to develop it and lots of Irish nurses here in the U.K. helped with the trials too

It could also be Plazebo effect, you’re told a certain vaccine has more side effects and is less effective but you have to have it anyway but you’ll be fine, guess what the next day everyone is really ill. Maybe this one reason is why we shouldn’t know what vaccine we’re having, we’ve never been told before.

I don't think any vaccine is a holy grail.

I do believe that all vaccines are good enough to get us out of the hole we are in and enable us to start getting back to normal. No vaccine is yet going to protect us for the long term, but we have a good start and hopefully it means the number of deaths will never go back to where it was and likewise the pressure on the NHS.

If other countries don't want to use the AZ jag, then that is totally their choice. I wouldn't be happy getting Sputnik or any of the Chinese ones.

I do think it's a bit shit when the EU wanted vaccines to be delivered from the UK when the vast majority of vaccines delivered have not been used.

I must admit though I do find the anti AZ campaign tiresome. If it was based on facts then fair enough, but its not. That's clear throughout this thread when people have claimed disinformation as fact.

Likewise, it's pretty pathetic if you are a Brit who is running their hands in glee because for once the UK is doing better. It doesn't help any of us, when our closest neighbours are not vaccinating at the rate they could.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/25/acceptance-problem-as-most-oxford-covid-jabs-delivered-to-eu-not-yet-used

I wouldn’t say AZ is holy grail as obviously there’s some incredible vaccines contributing to our way out of this crisis

I do agree with pp that is a country buys stick it should also try to convince people to use it. German vaccine spokesperson today saying this is an issue and he is working hard to overcome it.

If a country buys stock...

With regards to side effects, there are sidr effects with all vaccines. I don't think there has yet been anything unexpected with AZ.

There may have been issues in the UK with lots of people phoning in sick as a result of AZ but I really haven't heard about it.

I genuinely don't know what the difference is. Perhaps the vaccination is more staggered here so not everyone in one organisation gets it at one time?

I do know that 24 / 48 hours of feeling shit js probably better than Covid though.

The EMA was supposed to put faith into vaccines for the EU, what was the point? Then you have Hungary using Russian and China vaccine that hasn’t been signed off by EMA you don’t hear anything about side effects there, very strange.

Well obviously an immunisation is designed to provoke an immune response. We expect some people to see more side effects than others but to have, what was it - 40% (?)- of staff to become so sick that cannot work, something particular is happen.

If we go down the route of vaccine passports when travel opens up again, given the arguments that have erupted over recent months regarding which vaccine offers the best protection and amongst what age group, I wonder if the type of vaccine a person has had will impact on their freedom of movement. For example, Switzerland I think it was has delayed approving the AZ vaccine until there is further data and some other countries I think are not using it on certain age groups, so, would those who have had the AZ vaccine elsewhere be seen as a risk.

@pennylane83 I thought that but what if all the data shows AZ is as good as Pfizer but the EU still won’t accept it but accept the Russian vaccine without the data?

@pennylane83

If we go down the route of vaccine passports when travel opens up again, given the arguments that have erupted over recent months regarding which vaccine offers the best protection and amongst what age group, I wonder if the type of vaccine a person has had will impact on their freedom of movement. For example, Switzerland I think it was has delayed approving the AZ vaccine until there is further data and some other countries I think are not using it on certain age groups, so, would those who have had the AZ vaccine elsewhere be seen as a risk.

That way would be madness though. Not to mention how muddy it could get with regards their own populations who have had different jabs. It has never been the case for flu or any other jab, where people seem so invested in the maker of their vaccine. I’ve had a flu jab for years, it literally never occurred to me to ask who made it, what it’s efficacy was, and how long would my anti bodies last

Let's be honest, we are fortunate to have some shit hot scientists in the UK.

Unfortunately our politicians are just shit.

Not sure why some people are suggesting the second doses won't happen though. Both appointments are made at the same time.

4 in 5 Oxford jabs delivered to EU not being used.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/25/acceptance-problem-as-most-oxford-covid-jabs-delivered-to-eu-not-yet-used

[quote Baileysforchristmas]4 in 5 Oxford jabs delivered to EU not being used.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/25/acceptance-problem-as-most-oxford-covid-jabs-delivered-to-eu-not-yet-used[/quote]
The Astra Zeneca vaccine has not been approved for over 65's in the EU.So far only the over 85 year olds and health care workers have been vaccinated .The Astra Zeneca vaccine will be used for all those under 65 years .

The Astra Zeneca vaccine has not been approved for over 65's in the EU.

That’s not true. It has been by the EMA.

Countries have taken their own decisions on it though.

It just seems crazy all those vaccines sitting there which have been approved by EMA while Hungary are using Russian and China’s vaccines, you couldn’t make it up, it’s madness 🤷‍♀️

@Baileysforchristmas

Please, please stop treating the EU as one entity. Our PM in Denmark has literally just criticized the large unused stock of AZ in Germany and said that it should then be redirected to the many EU countries, like us, that will happily use it.

And one country, ONE, has gone rogue on the Russian one and you still say 'the EU still won’t accept it but accept the Russian vaccine without the data?' It's making it seem that you're genuinely incapable of comprehending the difference between the EU and individual countries.

But these countries are in the EU, no not all the same country but the EU vaccine rollout was supposed to bring countries together not go their own way.

Oh and in Italy as well

www.thelocal.it/20210219/covid-19-republic-of-san-marino-to-use-russian-sputnik-vaccines

Denmark is doing very well with the vaccine rollout so no I wasn’t meaning every country is not using AZ, if you read the link it lists the countries who have received AZ and how many they have used, France is the worst.

The Astra Zeneca vaccine has not been approved for over 65's in the EU

FWIW I know of several over 65's in our large EU country who have been vaccinated with the AZ product in the last week or so, despite a very senior national politician expressing doubts about it's effectiveness on people in that age group....

@Bailysforchristmas From reading your posts you appear to want the vaccine programme in the EU to fail. Why?

No I don’t want it to fail, I want to visit Europe, I love Europe, I want the EU to sort it out and not waste vaccines, I want Macron to apologise for his stupid comments, it has been reported today he said he would have AZ vaccine through gritted teeth 😊

[quote Baileysforchristmas]Oh and in Italy as well

www.thelocal.it/20210219/covid-19-republic-of-san-marino-to-use-russian-sputnik-vaccines[/quote]
San Marino isn't Italy. But yes, it was in the Italian news that SM had bought in Sputnik vaccines
In my town the under 65s are getting AZ.

I think Macron heard me, France has now approved AZ for the elderly

www.politico.eu/article/french-government-opens-door-to-astrazeneca-vaccine-for-the-elderly/

I hope this might give Europeans confidence in the vaccine, now I am happy 😊