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The government is about to tell you that schools are safe

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noblegiraffe · 19/02/2021 14:07

It's being reported that the government are about to embark on a two week PR campaign claiming that schools are safe. We've already seen hints of it in that Warwick report that was widely misreported as showing schools don't fuel community transmission (majorly pissing off the author who advocates a cautious return to schools).

The ONS random sampling survey graphs released today are amazing. They show a huge reduction in the infection rates due to lockdown, but the most incredible reduction is in the infection rate of secondary school children. They've gone from being the most infected subset of the population by far, to the 2nd least (behind 70+). It's clear that despite arguments that secondary kids were catching covid out of school (sleepovers, hanging around in parks etc), this just isn't true and the lack of mitigation measures in secondary schools allowed covid to run riot.

We can't re-open in the same way as in September. That would be madness. I know that people will say that it's fine, vulnerable people are being vaccinated and kids don't get it badly BUT what is not acknowledged is that kids aren't being vaccinated, a lot of their teachers won't be by March 8th, nor their parents and so we still need to keep infection levels down. In addition, rampant covid is incredibly disruptive to education. Teachers off for weeks, kids off isolating, some kids in, some kids out...Sept to Dec was a mess that we should be trying our best to avoid repeating. Vaccinations don't address that issue at all.

Community levels are low, but then they were low in September. Pubs, restaurants and non-essential shops are shut now, but we want to be able to open them. We cannot rely on community levels remaining low to stop covid getting into schools and proliferating.

We need to be careful, because certainly secondary schools aren't safe to re-open in a Big Bang gung-ho way that some are advocating, particularly with a more transmissible variant in circulation. Remember to the week before Christmas when school attendance plummeted in Kent and London? In one LA, secondary attendance was at 17%. And yet the DfE decided to threaten schools that wanted to close early to stop the spread with legal action. The schools were right, and the DfE was wrong. Gavin Williamson can't be trusted to have sensible conversations about safety, he's more interested in bully-boy tactics and setting himself up in opposition to teachers and schools.

What can be done? I think there is room to open schools in some way on March 8th. My personal preference (and I'm no spokesperson for teachers here, other opinions will vary) would be primaries back and exam years back for three weeks, then Easter can be used to examine the impact of the full primary re-opening . I'm not sure that school is such a major factor in transmission at primary as it is at secondary for various reasons, however I'm sure that my primary colleagues have their own ideas about what needs to be done there. If full primary re-opening looks untenable, then I would prefer rotas to only certain year groups in. Some school for all pupils would be better than all school for some pupils as we had last year.

Secondary is a different kettle of fish and should be treated separately. Secondaries were a massive risk for transmission. The word 'bubble' should never be used in reference to secondary schools again, as 'bubble' means a group of people who all have to isolate if one of them catches covid, which went in the bin in secondary around the end of September. There are some easy wins in secondary -
Masks in classrooms would be easy and cheap to implement. Exemptions would apply and clear ones could be provided where necessary for lip reading.
A national programme to improve ventilation.
Testing and isolation of any contacts where positive cases are found to flush out asymptomatic pupils (PCR not LFT).
Moving quickly to remote learning where there are outbreaks instead of trying to keep year groups in and schools open as covid works its way through - the attendance just before Christmas in some schools meant kids would have been better served educationally if they were all at home.

Home LFT testing of kids - I'm not convinced tbh, maybe in addition to above measures, but certainly not instead of them.

So if the government messaging is as it has been: schools are safe and no additional measures to contain the spread in secondary are needed then they are lying and our kids deserve a more consistent and sustainable education than they got from September.

Fingers crossed they are more sensible than we have previously seen.

The government is about to tell you that schools are safe
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HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 19/02/2021 21:39

It's an AIRBOURNE disease Hmm

Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady · 19/02/2021 21:40

For anyone who is confused

CEV is anyone who was told to shield. They were done at the same time as over 75s. Group 4

CV is group 6. Includes things like severe asthma, BMI over 40, heart disease, severe mental health issues.

Group 5 (over 65s) and group 6 are being done at the same time.

Group 5 via the big hubs, can book via the NHS link

Group 6 are being done by GPs and have to wait to be contacted.

leopardspotsdotdotdot · 19/02/2021 21:41

@HercwasanEnemyofEducation

Of course it's riskier. You're inside in a small space with an infected person, of course you're more likely to get it than brushing past an infected person at a supermarket.

I'm not sharing ice cream with people in a supermarket...

Gosh look, the ice cream reference was about ice cream infected with CV19.

Not sharing one. Google it. It’s in our food chain.

leopardspotsdotdotdot · 19/02/2021 21:42

@HercwasanEnemyofEducation

It's an AIRBOURNE disease Hmm
Urmmm yes, but passed by bodily fluids too much more easily. Are you ok?
HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 19/02/2021 21:43

Riiight so no one should eat any food they get in a supermarket in case they get covid...

I might have to tap out here, the gin is blurring the lines between covid being on EVERYTHING, and reality.

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 19/02/2021 21:44

But there's only 7 kids in the park!! How can you not see that's different to 1000 in school?!?!

Nme8961 · 19/02/2021 21:44

I'm not at all surprised that this is happening, given that safety in schools has never been prioritised even a bit. I am shocked at the number of people still in denial that the COVID safety measures in schools (if you can even call them that) are adequate. I'm not sure how anyone who lived through the autumn term can argue that was a good idea. It was chaos!

RosesAndHellebores · 19/02/2021 21:45

For the brief period dd went to a state school the dc were fighting, spitting, engaging in pyromania and casting threats on social media about would happen if anyone told. The jolly old teachers didn't give a flying f about the dc who behaved and wanted to learn and I recall the op tearing a right strip off me in about 2010 for very daring to question the motives of a school teacher.

I think the op needs to conduct a proper risk analysis and get back to work and think of the children and young people and prioritise their needs above the Marxist principles of the teaching unions.

Nme8961 · 19/02/2021 21:45

Not adequate*

noblegiraffe · 19/02/2021 21:45

There seems to be a theme with these threads that someone batshit yet persistent comes on and then they’re at 1000 posts and closed.

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leopardspotsdotdotdot · 19/02/2021 21:45

@HercwasanEnemyofEducation

But there's only 7 kids in the park!! How can you not see that's different to 1000 in school?!?!
They were passing beers and spliffs!!!

Spit!

Jesus love.

noblegiraffe · 19/02/2021 21:46

prioritise their needs above the Marxist principles of the teaching unions.

Which bit of my OP is Marxist? Always willing to learn.

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Watchingbehindmyhands · 19/02/2021 21:47

Teachers are free to quit - there are plenty of us training to replace them

You’ll be an amazing work mate. Not. Not one clue about the profession but you can replace those of us with experience. Remember that when bottom set year 9 has you sobbing in the loo at lunchtime and there’s no one left to give you the guidance that will put that right for you. Humility, ability to take and act on (not always constructive) criticism and a willingness to adapt a d learn are crucial to success in teaching. Not believing you know better.

Some teachers really don’t want to work do they

I don’t any teachers who have actually stopped working.

leopardspotsdotdotdot · 19/02/2021 21:47

@HercwasanEnemyofEducation

Riiight so no one should eat any food they get in a supermarket in case they get covid...

I might have to tap out here, the gin is blurring the lines between covid being on EVERYTHING, and reality.

You should tap out, as you have no clue on how a virus spreads. It can be in the food chain and is proven to be.
HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 19/02/2021 21:47

They were passing beers and spliffs!!!

Between 7 kids.

You'd be shocked in an actual school 🤣🤣🤣🤣

ChloeDecker · 19/02/2021 21:48

They were passing beers and spliffs!!!

Spit!

Jesus love.

And shock horror, teenagers snog in school! Our first two cases back in school were a Year 13 couple.

leopardspotsdotdotdot · 19/02/2021 21:49

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leopardspotsdotdotdot · 19/02/2021 21:50

@ChloeDecker

They were passing beers and spliffs!!!

Spit!

Jesus love.

And shock horror, teenagers snog in school! Our first two cases back in school were a Year 13 couple.

Exactly- not going to stop the spread if we close schools is it?!
RosesAndHellebores · 19/02/2021 21:53

Read the response please. The marxist principles of the teaching unions with which you appear to sympathise. Children count 10 toes; kids 4.

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 19/02/2021 21:53

7 KIDS 7!!!!

THE other 993 were not in any contact whatsoever. I fear it is you that doesn't know how viruses spread.

ChloeDecker · 19/02/2021 21:54

Exactly- not going to stop the spread if we close schools is it?!

But fewer children/young people are mixing together all at once now. Put more together and it increases the likelihood. All those parents who have followed the rules and not let their children meet up with others will now have their teenagers all back in school and it’s a free for all unless the government changes their guidance.

CallmeAngelina · 19/02/2021 21:54

"Children count 10 toes; kids 4."

Have I missed something here? I've no idea what this means.

peridito · 19/02/2021 21:54

I've not read all 32 pages pf the thread - has the REACT study been discussed ?

The prevalence of infection has also dropped across all ages, at a similar rate, suggesting the downward trends are due to lockdown rather than the impact of vaccination. The highest number of infections are occurring in young people aged 5 to 12 and 18 to 24, with around 1 in 110 testing positive in these age groups

www.imperial.ac.uk/news/215296/coronavirus-infections-have-fallen-substantially-england/

spiral.imperial.ac.uk/bitstream/10044/1/86126/2/react1_r9_interim_preprint.pdf

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 19/02/2021 21:55

Here's the impact of schools being closed.

I'll refrain from calling you a dickhead.

The government is about to tell you that schools are safe
ChloeDecker · 19/02/2021 21:56

@CallmeAngelina

"Children count 10 toes; kids 4."

Have I missed something here? I've no idea what this means.

Must be those pesky maths teachers again Grin