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The government is about to tell you that schools are safe

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noblegiraffe · 19/02/2021 14:07

It's being reported that the government are about to embark on a two week PR campaign claiming that schools are safe. We've already seen hints of it in that Warwick report that was widely misreported as showing schools don't fuel community transmission (majorly pissing off the author who advocates a cautious return to schools).

The ONS random sampling survey graphs released today are amazing. They show a huge reduction in the infection rates due to lockdown, but the most incredible reduction is in the infection rate of secondary school children. They've gone from being the most infected subset of the population by far, to the 2nd least (behind 70+). It's clear that despite arguments that secondary kids were catching covid out of school (sleepovers, hanging around in parks etc), this just isn't true and the lack of mitigation measures in secondary schools allowed covid to run riot.

We can't re-open in the same way as in September. That would be madness. I know that people will say that it's fine, vulnerable people are being vaccinated and kids don't get it badly BUT what is not acknowledged is that kids aren't being vaccinated, a lot of their teachers won't be by March 8th, nor their parents and so we still need to keep infection levels down. In addition, rampant covid is incredibly disruptive to education. Teachers off for weeks, kids off isolating, some kids in, some kids out...Sept to Dec was a mess that we should be trying our best to avoid repeating. Vaccinations don't address that issue at all.

Community levels are low, but then they were low in September. Pubs, restaurants and non-essential shops are shut now, but we want to be able to open them. We cannot rely on community levels remaining low to stop covid getting into schools and proliferating.

We need to be careful, because certainly secondary schools aren't safe to re-open in a Big Bang gung-ho way that some are advocating, particularly with a more transmissible variant in circulation. Remember to the week before Christmas when school attendance plummeted in Kent and London? In one LA, secondary attendance was at 17%. And yet the DfE decided to threaten schools that wanted to close early to stop the spread with legal action. The schools were right, and the DfE was wrong. Gavin Williamson can't be trusted to have sensible conversations about safety, he's more interested in bully-boy tactics and setting himself up in opposition to teachers and schools.

What can be done? I think there is room to open schools in some way on March 8th. My personal preference (and I'm no spokesperson for teachers here, other opinions will vary) would be primaries back and exam years back for three weeks, then Easter can be used to examine the impact of the full primary re-opening . I'm not sure that school is such a major factor in transmission at primary as it is at secondary for various reasons, however I'm sure that my primary colleagues have their own ideas about what needs to be done there. If full primary re-opening looks untenable, then I would prefer rotas to only certain year groups in. Some school for all pupils would be better than all school for some pupils as we had last year.

Secondary is a different kettle of fish and should be treated separately. Secondaries were a massive risk for transmission. The word 'bubble' should never be used in reference to secondary schools again, as 'bubble' means a group of people who all have to isolate if one of them catches covid, which went in the bin in secondary around the end of September. There are some easy wins in secondary -
Masks in classrooms would be easy and cheap to implement. Exemptions would apply and clear ones could be provided where necessary for lip reading.
A national programme to improve ventilation.
Testing and isolation of any contacts where positive cases are found to flush out asymptomatic pupils (PCR not LFT).
Moving quickly to remote learning where there are outbreaks instead of trying to keep year groups in and schools open as covid works its way through - the attendance just before Christmas in some schools meant kids would have been better served educationally if they were all at home.

Home LFT testing of kids - I'm not convinced tbh, maybe in addition to above measures, but certainly not instead of them.

So if the government messaging is as it has been: schools are safe and no additional measures to contain the spread in secondary are needed then they are lying and our kids deserve a more consistent and sustainable education than they got from September.

Fingers crossed they are more sensible than we have previously seen.

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BettyBoomerang · 19/02/2021 20:27

This is about the safety of the staff.

And the parents of the children. Pretty big sector of society when you include them.

And the people on the crowded public transport with the children.

FrippEnos · 19/02/2021 20:28

Monkeytennis97

I doubt that NaughtipussMaximus has done the joined up thinking to get that far.

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 19/02/2021 20:29

This is typical of post viral syndromes.

Most viruses don't spread like covid. Most of the population don't catch every virus, we're vaccinated to stop us getting them for a reason.

People tout glandular fever. Yet case levels of glandular fever are very low in the population, hence few people suffering post viral fatigue from glandular fever. I'll happily go back to normal when coronavirus rates are as low as glandular fever, and the transmission rate of covid as low as glandular fever.

FrippEnos · 19/02/2021 20:30

@chloworm

Just FYI, to save you the effort.

Posters stopped clicking on the links a while back.

If your not going to comment its not worth the effort to engage you.

Cake
NaughtipussMaximus · 19/02/2021 20:30

You can say that all you like! It still doesn’t mean the govt is bothered. Once the CEV in the community are vaccinated, the govt won’t care. Maybe you need a lesson in joined up thinking yourself @FrippEnos

herecomesthsun · 19/02/2021 20:31

@NaughtipussMaximus

Can you explain how vaccine rollout is making schools safer for the totally unvaccinated adults and children in them?

It doesn’t. But you’re sadly deluded if you think that’s ever been the government’s aim. If the NHS isn’t getting overwhelmed, the safety of individual people from a disease that is mild or asymptomatic for the vast majority of people, ESPECIALLY once the CEV are mostly protected from serious illness by the vaccines, isn’t really a huge deciding factor.

As for the constant bleating that giraffe and her coterie want schools to be safe for children, this is disingenuous and a red herring. For the overwhelming majority of children, school even during the peaks of the Covid pandemic has been safer than their commute, and for vulnerable children, it’s safer then their home. This is about the safety of the staff.

It's about safety for the community, reduction in community transmission, not having another big surge, thereby reducing the risks to the NHS on lifting lockdown and also keeping schools open for longer more securely.

Having better safety measures in place in schools would help with all of that. So would waiting a few more weeks to get schools back, so would a staggered return of years.

AlwaysLatte · 19/02/2021 20:32

I have one at primary and one at secondary and I hope they can stay home until after Easter. It would be good to catch some of this school year before September though. Let's see!

Piggywaspushed · 19/02/2021 20:33

It is actually about 10 million people and their families so rather a lot of people to send back in one 'big bang' .

Chris Whitty (note: not a teacher ) said to be at odds with the PM about this as are members of his cabinet. This is not just teachers vs everyone else.

HalfPastThree · 19/02/2021 20:33

And the parents of the children. Pretty big sector of society when you include them.

I think if you're a clinically vulnerable parent and can't / didn't have the vaccine then you should be allowed to keep your children off.

That's not a good reason to stop children of otherwise healthy parents from going to school. We're at nearly zero risk and a lot of us have already had it anyway.

HalfPastThree · 19/02/2021 20:35

Chris Whitty (note: not a teacher )

Not a parent, either, I note with interest

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 19/02/2021 20:36

That's not a good reason to stop children of otherwise healthy parents from going to school. We're at nearly zero risk and a lot of us have already had it anyway.

Otherwise "healthy" people are getting very ill with covid, why expose 10 million contacts without any safety measures?

Piggywaspushed · 19/02/2021 20:36

So?

FrippEnos · 19/02/2021 20:36

@NaughtipussMaximus

I can see the link between schools staying open and staff wellbeing, you are the one that seems to be struggling with it.

I even already know that the government couldn't give a shiny shit about education and they are not waiting for the CEV group to show it, I and other teachers have been posting this for years.

but you keep believing that schools will stay be able to open when a large percentage of the staff is ill or isolating. If nothing else your naiveite and optimism is admirable.

Piggywaspushed · 19/02/2021 20:36

Sorry herc that was to halfpastthree.

chloworm · 19/02/2021 20:37

[quote FrippEnos]**@chloworm

Just FYI, to save you the effort.

Posters stopped clicking on the links a while back.

If your not going to comment its not worth the effort to engage you.

Cake[/quote]
Wink

Here's another one, just for you...

www.bbc.com/news/uk-55730999?fbclid=IwAR1ySVlHMLBfHWg3ENOn26sXO15OE5c3BTvt-5OEJYKVIE8-KfNufn74aBE

P.S. My comments don't matter. Your comments don't matter. Children matter.

Ginfizplease · 19/02/2021 20:37

@HalfPastThree and if you're a teacher going home to an ECV family member who hasn't been fully vaccinated yet? What choice is there then?

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 19/02/2021 20:37

@HalfPastThree what about vulnerable staff?

FidgetArse · 19/02/2021 20:38

No where is safe.

The sooner people realise that the better!!!!

Piggywaspushed · 19/02/2021 20:39

chlo, that articles' timing may be misleading you, but it doesn't link the rise in self injury to covid. I assume you have read it.

MrsHamlet · 19/02/2021 20:40

children matter
We know. That's why we're teachers. That's why we'd rather a safe, mitigated, staggered return to school so the children can stay in and be taught face to face.
But if it makes you feel better to attack us for wanting that, go ahead.

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 19/02/2021 20:40

No where is safe.

The sooner people realise that the better!!!!

I guess you don't wear a seat belt, lock your house, check food for mould (I could go on...). Nowhere is 100% safe, no, doesn't mean we shouldn't take measures to make them as safe as possible.

itsgettingwierd · 19/02/2021 20:40

@HalfPastThree

Chris Whitty (note: not a teacher )

Not a parent, either, I note with interest

So totally non bias then without a stake in the game.

To me that makes his opinion stand up more

herecomesthsun · 19/02/2021 20:41

Children do matter. Which is why it is important to get the timing of this right (& see previous posts for a fuller discussion)

Remmy123 · 19/02/2021 20:43

Kids need to be back at school - enough is enough.

I'm willing to risk them going back and passing it to me, after all it will be a sniffle!

Kids have sacrificed enough.

Also as much as you think homeschooling online is ok for secondary kids ... it really is not!

FrippEnos · 19/02/2021 20:43

@chloworm

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