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The government is about to tell you that schools are safe

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noblegiraffe · 19/02/2021 14:07

It's being reported that the government are about to embark on a two week PR campaign claiming that schools are safe. We've already seen hints of it in that Warwick report that was widely misreported as showing schools don't fuel community transmission (majorly pissing off the author who advocates a cautious return to schools).

The ONS random sampling survey graphs released today are amazing. They show a huge reduction in the infection rates due to lockdown, but the most incredible reduction is in the infection rate of secondary school children. They've gone from being the most infected subset of the population by far, to the 2nd least (behind 70+). It's clear that despite arguments that secondary kids were catching covid out of school (sleepovers, hanging around in parks etc), this just isn't true and the lack of mitigation measures in secondary schools allowed covid to run riot.

We can't re-open in the same way as in September. That would be madness. I know that people will say that it's fine, vulnerable people are being vaccinated and kids don't get it badly BUT what is not acknowledged is that kids aren't being vaccinated, a lot of their teachers won't be by March 8th, nor their parents and so we still need to keep infection levels down. In addition, rampant covid is incredibly disruptive to education. Teachers off for weeks, kids off isolating, some kids in, some kids out...Sept to Dec was a mess that we should be trying our best to avoid repeating. Vaccinations don't address that issue at all.

Community levels are low, but then they were low in September. Pubs, restaurants and non-essential shops are shut now, but we want to be able to open them. We cannot rely on community levels remaining low to stop covid getting into schools and proliferating.

We need to be careful, because certainly secondary schools aren't safe to re-open in a Big Bang gung-ho way that some are advocating, particularly with a more transmissible variant in circulation. Remember to the week before Christmas when school attendance plummeted in Kent and London? In one LA, secondary attendance was at 17%. And yet the DfE decided to threaten schools that wanted to close early to stop the spread with legal action. The schools were right, and the DfE was wrong. Gavin Williamson can't be trusted to have sensible conversations about safety, he's more interested in bully-boy tactics and setting himself up in opposition to teachers and schools.

What can be done? I think there is room to open schools in some way on March 8th. My personal preference (and I'm no spokesperson for teachers here, other opinions will vary) would be primaries back and exam years back for three weeks, then Easter can be used to examine the impact of the full primary re-opening . I'm not sure that school is such a major factor in transmission at primary as it is at secondary for various reasons, however I'm sure that my primary colleagues have their own ideas about what needs to be done there. If full primary re-opening looks untenable, then I would prefer rotas to only certain year groups in. Some school for all pupils would be better than all school for some pupils as we had last year.

Secondary is a different kettle of fish and should be treated separately. Secondaries were a massive risk for transmission. The word 'bubble' should never be used in reference to secondary schools again, as 'bubble' means a group of people who all have to isolate if one of them catches covid, which went in the bin in secondary around the end of September. There are some easy wins in secondary -
Masks in classrooms would be easy and cheap to implement. Exemptions would apply and clear ones could be provided where necessary for lip reading.
A national programme to improve ventilation.
Testing and isolation of any contacts where positive cases are found to flush out asymptomatic pupils (PCR not LFT).
Moving quickly to remote learning where there are outbreaks instead of trying to keep year groups in and schools open as covid works its way through - the attendance just before Christmas in some schools meant kids would have been better served educationally if they were all at home.

Home LFT testing of kids - I'm not convinced tbh, maybe in addition to above measures, but certainly not instead of them.

So if the government messaging is as it has been: schools are safe and no additional measures to contain the spread in secondary are needed then they are lying and our kids deserve a more consistent and sustainable education than they got from September.

Fingers crossed they are more sensible than we have previously seen.

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LadyPenelope68 · 19/02/2021 20:11

@FrippEnos
Be interesting to know in which subject you are training in.
BA Hons in bullshit I’m guessing!

BungleandGeorge · 19/02/2021 20:11

[quote SpencerGregson]@BungleandGeorge I have one at private and she breaks up the week before, but goes back at the same time as my others.

In normal times, she'd be looking forwards to 3 weeks off. Today she asked to watch The Gruffalo's Child as it reminds her of happy times.

She's 13 Sad[/quote]
Our whole region seem to have 2 weeks from the 26th March. I’m just hoping some sort of leisure or shopping will be able to open. It really is a miserable and stressful time for a lot of kids, I’d just like them to be able to have some fun above all else really.

Suzeyshoes · 19/02/2021 20:11

@Blacktothepink
That’s awful. So sorry to hear that.

We all agree here that kids should be back in school. Things are going in the right direction.

But the return to school needs to be done properly. If people had have listened in late November, when schools were flooded with cases, we wouldn’t be in the middle of a 6 week total lockdown in the first place. We need to learn from our mistakes and do this for the long term, not a quick fix.

Hammonds · 19/02/2021 20:12

Everyone has the right to go to work safely
At the moment supermarket staff are safer than teachers. At least they get to sit behind perspex and everyone has to wear a mask in a shop unless exempt

Take it you’ve never been to Asda when the shop assistant is putting out the reduced food...

Blacktothepink · 19/02/2021 20:12

With an attitude like that AledsiPad I wouldn’t want you teaching my dcs...you’re another ignorant twat..,they’re out in force tonight 😡

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 19/02/2021 20:13

@Hammonds Sorry to hear that. I'm not sure school will be compulsory from 8th March. I hope your family get the support they need.

TravellingTilbury · 19/02/2021 20:14

I'm tempted to read the whole thread but 27 pages ... but I'm too lazy so will just assume it is 26 pages of people posting to say schools 'aren't safe', 'it's too soon', 'be patient' and 'hospitals would be full of unvaccinated teachers if we opened up schools too soon'. Maybe I'm wrong though Hmm.

SpencerGregson · 19/02/2021 20:17

I do wonder how employers will react if the school closures continue. Someone upthread mentioned employers abusing key worker places but stating their employees are key workers when they aren't.

To the employer, I suspect all their staff are key if they don't want to go out of business.

I'm lucky to have a flexible job but DH's is pretty full on. He's been at home since March but has recently had to travel into central London for meetings. Not at his employer's behest, but simply that our broadband won't support more than 2 people on live calls simultaneously, i.e him and the DC homeschooling. Likely to be increasingly the case and not great for community transmission either.

MNnicknameforCVthreads · 19/02/2021 20:18

@TravellingTilbury

I'm tempted to read the whole thread but 27 pages ... but I'm too lazy so will just assume it is 26 pages of people posting to say schools 'aren't safe', 'it's too soon', 'be patient' and 'hospitals would be full of unvaccinated teachers if we opened up schools too soon'. Maybe I'm wrong though Hmm.
Yes, if someone could summarise that would be great!

I just want my DC back in school. Hopefully that’s want Boris will be saying on Monday.

FrippEnos · 19/02/2021 20:18

@chloworm

So no comment just links?

AltCtrl · 19/02/2021 20:18

@TravellingTilbury

I'm tempted to read the whole thread but 27 pages ... but I'm too lazy so will just assume it is 26 pages of people posting to say schools 'aren't safe', 'it's too soon', 'be patient' and 'hospitals would be full of unvaccinated teachers if we opened up schools too soon'. Maybe I'm wrong though Hmm.
You are absolutely right.
Lovemusic33 · 19/02/2021 20:21

In September I didn’t think schools were safe to return, in December I wanted schools to close as I didn’t feel it was safe, although I had no fear for my children, just fear of who they were going to pass it on too.

Vaccines are rolling out fast, all vulnerable people have been offered the vaccine and they are beginning to vaccinate other groups in most areas including many who are not vulnerable. I do agree that teachers should be vaccinated and I’m sure quite a few have been offered the vaccine due to teaching vulnerable children?

I feel that schools are safe, kids need to go back and the risk of serious illness is now much lower, there’s always going to be some risk but there’s a risk everyday with just leaving your house (being in a accident).

Echobelly · 19/02/2021 20:21

I think they ought to wait until after Easter, but I know it's easy for me to say as we're having a much easier time of things than many parents. But right now, if you get to the point where it seems 'OK', you should probably be waiting another month.

If DS were to go back on 8th, he'd only have 2.5 weeks left anyway, and DS another week on top of that so as far as I'm concerned they might as well give it that extra month and things will likely be significantly safer and requiring far fewer isolations etc.

NaughtipussMaximus · 19/02/2021 20:21

Can you explain how vaccine rollout is making schools safer for the totally unvaccinated adults and children in them?

It doesn’t. But you’re sadly deluded if you think that’s ever been the government’s aim. If the NHS isn’t getting overwhelmed, the safety of individual people from a disease that is mild or asymptomatic for the vast majority of people, ESPECIALLY once the CEV are mostly protected from serious illness by the vaccines, isn’t really a huge deciding factor.

As for the constant bleating that giraffe and her coterie want schools to be safe for children, this is disingenuous and a red herring. For the overwhelming majority of children, school even during the peaks of the Covid pandemic has been safer than their commute, and for vulnerable children, it’s safer then their home. This is about the safety of the staff.

FrippEnos · 19/02/2021 20:22

AltCtrl
TravellingTilbury

I'm tempted to read the whole thread but 27 pages ... but I'm too lazy so will just assume it is 26 pages of people posting to say schools 'aren't safe', 'it's too soon', 'be patient' and 'hospitals would be full of unvaccinated teachers if we opened up schools too soon'. Maybe I'm wrong though hmm.

You are absolutely right.

I suppose this is correct if its put in the context of those posting this are saying its what other posters are posting.

Otherwise its its wrong.

echt · 19/02/2021 20:22

This is about the safety of the staff

No it isn't. And even if is was, so what?

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 19/02/2021 20:23

This is about the safety of the staff.

And the parents of the children. Pretty big sector of society when you include them.

itsgettingwierd · 19/02/2021 20:23

Take it you’ve never been to Asda when the shop assistant is putting out the reduced food

So Asda are failing to keep their staff safe? That also needs addressing then. No one needs to be crowded by shoppers.

But teachers also have no choice than to be crowded by kids!

SpringisSpinning · 19/02/2021 20:24

I want my dc back in school, its where they should be but at the same time, we want to feel safe and gently ease back into it... I'd be happy with a rota or one day a week or get crucial years in first.... Then ease the other years in and each week... Millions more will be vaccinated etc...

teachermummy1 · 19/02/2021 20:25

[quote HercwasanEnemyofEducation]**@teachermummy1* Schools are safe in my opinion, yes there is a possible likelihood of catching Covid but it does not mean your child will die.*

How callous and ignorant.

It's not just the children dying, it's whoever else they take it home to. Death isn't the only issue either, children and adults are getting seriously ill with covid and having serious long term health problems.[/quote]
This is typical of post viral syndromes.

FrippEnos · 19/02/2021 20:25

NaughtipussMaximus

As for the constant bleating that giraffe and her coterie want schools to be safe for children, this is disingenuous and a red herring. For the overwhelming majority of children, school even during the peaks of the Covid pandemic has been safer than their commute, and for vulnerable children, it’s safer then their home. This is about the safety of the staff.

Ahh yes the twist and spin, its becoming the new move.

Timeturnerplease · 19/02/2021 20:26

Take it you’ve never been to Asda when the shop assistant is putting out the reduced food...

Ah yes, Asda - where no one is allowed to wear a mask and the staff wipe noses/cuddle tears away/help customers get changed/clean scrapes/zip up coats/hold unwashed hands.

BettyBoomerang · 19/02/2021 20:26

Most of us really don't care - we prioritise our children. They need to be in school. Teachers are free to quit - there are plenty of us training to replace them.

I genuinely don't believe you. I think most of us do care very, very much. We want this lockdown to be eased very slowly and carefully so that it's the last lockdown. We desperately don't want a 'big bang' return to school (even the term is so terribly tasteless) because we know that with unmitigated spreading, vaccine escape is more likely and then we'll all be locked down again - maybe even in summer. Then we'll have to redo the vaccination programme again. We care about getting this right and that will only be achieved slowly and with caution.

Monkeytennis97 · 19/02/2021 20:27

@NaughtipussMaximus how many times have we said it's about community transmission- mixing in schools then spreads out into families. It's not about the kids in general we all know they are safe (for the vast majority) in school. Yes, it is (for me anyway) also about staff safety. Why not eh? No school staff, no school.

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