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The government is about to tell you that schools are safe

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noblegiraffe · 19/02/2021 14:07

It's being reported that the government are about to embark on a two week PR campaign claiming that schools are safe. We've already seen hints of it in that Warwick report that was widely misreported as showing schools don't fuel community transmission (majorly pissing off the author who advocates a cautious return to schools).

The ONS random sampling survey graphs released today are amazing. They show a huge reduction in the infection rates due to lockdown, but the most incredible reduction is in the infection rate of secondary school children. They've gone from being the most infected subset of the population by far, to the 2nd least (behind 70+). It's clear that despite arguments that secondary kids were catching covid out of school (sleepovers, hanging around in parks etc), this just isn't true and the lack of mitigation measures in secondary schools allowed covid to run riot.

We can't re-open in the same way as in September. That would be madness. I know that people will say that it's fine, vulnerable people are being vaccinated and kids don't get it badly BUT what is not acknowledged is that kids aren't being vaccinated, a lot of their teachers won't be by March 8th, nor their parents and so we still need to keep infection levels down. In addition, rampant covid is incredibly disruptive to education. Teachers off for weeks, kids off isolating, some kids in, some kids out...Sept to Dec was a mess that we should be trying our best to avoid repeating. Vaccinations don't address that issue at all.

Community levels are low, but then they were low in September. Pubs, restaurants and non-essential shops are shut now, but we want to be able to open them. We cannot rely on community levels remaining low to stop covid getting into schools and proliferating.

We need to be careful, because certainly secondary schools aren't safe to re-open in a Big Bang gung-ho way that some are advocating, particularly with a more transmissible variant in circulation. Remember to the week before Christmas when school attendance plummeted in Kent and London? In one LA, secondary attendance was at 17%. And yet the DfE decided to threaten schools that wanted to close early to stop the spread with legal action. The schools were right, and the DfE was wrong. Gavin Williamson can't be trusted to have sensible conversations about safety, he's more interested in bully-boy tactics and setting himself up in opposition to teachers and schools.

What can be done? I think there is room to open schools in some way on March 8th. My personal preference (and I'm no spokesperson for teachers here, other opinions will vary) would be primaries back and exam years back for three weeks, then Easter can be used to examine the impact of the full primary re-opening . I'm not sure that school is such a major factor in transmission at primary as it is at secondary for various reasons, however I'm sure that my primary colleagues have their own ideas about what needs to be done there. If full primary re-opening looks untenable, then I would prefer rotas to only certain year groups in. Some school for all pupils would be better than all school for some pupils as we had last year.

Secondary is a different kettle of fish and should be treated separately. Secondaries were a massive risk for transmission. The word 'bubble' should never be used in reference to secondary schools again, as 'bubble' means a group of people who all have to isolate if one of them catches covid, which went in the bin in secondary around the end of September. There are some easy wins in secondary -
Masks in classrooms would be easy and cheap to implement. Exemptions would apply and clear ones could be provided where necessary for lip reading.
A national programme to improve ventilation.
Testing and isolation of any contacts where positive cases are found to flush out asymptomatic pupils (PCR not LFT).
Moving quickly to remote learning where there are outbreaks instead of trying to keep year groups in and schools open as covid works its way through - the attendance just before Christmas in some schools meant kids would have been better served educationally if they were all at home.

Home LFT testing of kids - I'm not convinced tbh, maybe in addition to above measures, but certainly not instead of them.

So if the government messaging is as it has been: schools are safe and no additional measures to contain the spread in secondary are needed then they are lying and our kids deserve a more consistent and sustainable education than they got from September.

Fingers crossed they are more sensible than we have previously seen.

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Delatron · 19/02/2021 19:22

Ok @borntobequiet it must have been an anomaly.
It was still an eye opening documentary and then a different article stating the same thing. But yes you’re right it doesn’t prove anything.

Monkeytennis97 · 19/02/2021 19:22

@bathsh3ba the guidance states masks in corridors for secondary but not in classrooms as it hinders learning. State school Heads are unlikely to go against the guidance.

cantkeepawayforever · 19/02/2021 19:22

@Yoshinori

Some teachers really don’t want to work do they
Could you explain what I am doing every day, teaching my class whether online or in school?

I don't think that there are any teachers not working at the moment? Many are working 2 jobs - teaching in school and online, either simultaneously or alternately.

Workyticket · 19/02/2021 19:23

@AledsiPad

Most of us really don't care - we prioritise our children. They need to be in school. Teachers are free to quit - there are plenty of us training to replace them.
I can't be arsed to find the exact % but vast numbers of NQTs quit in their first 3 years.
Monkeytennis97 · 19/02/2021 19:23

@Yoshinori

Some teachers really don’t want to work do they
I haven't stopped working (apart from holidays) since last March.
FrippEnos · 19/02/2021 19:23

FiveFootTwoEyesOfBlue

3. The school experience in Sept-Dec was not 'a mess' in all schools, it certainly wasn't in my DC's two secondary schools, both of which had just a handful of cases that were very quickly contained.

The other schools in my area regularly had bubbles burst, school years out and pupils missing weeks and weeks of education
Anecdotes do not equal data.

4. If schools are such hotbeds of transmission, why weren't there thousands of schools with out-of-control rates of transmission being closed down all the time in Sept-Dec? It just didn't happen.

How do you know? the government has repeated refuse to publish any of the small amount of data that they have on schools in the UK because they refused to do any research.

5. Many other countries also kept schools open as long as possible. It's not some evil Tory plot to kill off teachers. Read the Royal College of Paediatricians statement.

Many countries have had schools shut since last March, Many countries that have had schools open have had many more measures in place than we have bene allowed. This however is often not mentioned by those stating what you have.

Ohnomoreno · 19/02/2021 19:24

This poster continuously and aggressively spouts union talking points. Just left wing invective really, bending facts the same as right wingers do.

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 19/02/2021 19:24

@Yoshinori You've added so much to the debate there.

FrippEnos · 19/02/2021 19:24

Yoshinori
Some teachers really don’t want to work do they

Stupid has arrived.

CathyTurnbull · 19/02/2021 19:24

Cool, glad to hear they are safe

CovidHalloween · 19/02/2021 19:24

How dare you say teachers don’t want to work @Yoshinori.
Ps I’m not a teacher here or remotely related to teaching or schools. My children’s school has been working super hard to adapt make this situation as workable as possible.
You don’t send the army to the fight in the front line without arms or shields, in the same way the teachers should never be thrown back in schools before they get vaccinated and make schools safer.

JellyBabiesSaveLives · 19/02/2021 19:24

If we get the vulnerable and over-50s all vaccinated towards the end of March, then wait 3 weeks for it to work, that will be nicely in time to open schools fully after Easter, as Noble suggested in the OP.

Three of us in this house are group 6, still waiting. My teenagers need to be in school but they need to be healthy and have healthy parents more.

MrsHamlet · 19/02/2021 19:25

Worse than that worky are the ones who start, collect the bursary and never actually apply for a teaching job. And there are plenty of those.

bathsh3ba · 19/02/2021 19:25

@Monkeytennis97 @HercwasanEnemyofEducation @MrsHamlet thank you for clarifying. In that case I think more Heads should go against the guidance!

FrippEnos · 19/02/2021 19:25

@Ohnomoreno

This poster continuously and aggressively spouts union talking points. Just left wing invective really, bending facts the same as right wingers do.
And yet noble posts sources, numbers reports and links to them.

As for aggressive just more made up shit.

cantkeepawayforever · 19/02/2021 19:26

Aledipad, it's also worth noting that quite a few teaching students are not being properly trained at the moment. A few are doing teaching placements online. Others are doing shorter placements or have never seen a teacher in school teaching, but are playing the teacher's online lessons to the children sitting in front of them in school.

I don't think that means that the current generation of experienced, skilled teachers have a new generation of highly skilled trainees to follow them, unfortunately. I feel really, really sorry for teaching students at the moment.

Yoshinori · 19/02/2021 19:26

Sorry I should have said return back to working in a typical fashion.

Disagree with me all you want but it seems that no matter what, there a select group of teachers who until covid is completely eradicated off this planet won’t be happy for schools to return.

Vaccines have been rolled out and are continuing to be given and yet “ schools should not open”.

I give up.

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 19/02/2021 19:27

MrsH The 'forgotten' cost of ITT is the bursary abusers! They should be tied in to a contract of 2 years minimum teaching after qualifying. 30% of my cohort trained and didn't teach!

Tianatiers · 19/02/2021 19:27

I agree with everything you say OP. I think rotas are a good idea, some school for everyone. But I'm not sure how that would protect teachers for example in primary when they'd still have to teach all their class but on different days.

Dementedswan · 19/02/2021 19:27

Ans those parents that were in the vulnerable category that have been bumped.

I may get mine in May.

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 19/02/2021 19:28

there a select group of teachers who until covid is completely eradicated off this planet won’t be happy for schools to return.

I'm not sure any teacher has said this.

What's your job? Then we can tell you how to do it and the safety measures you don't need.

FrippEnos · 19/02/2021 19:29

Yoshinori

Disagree with me all you want

Thanks for the permission

but it seems that no matter what, there a select group of teachers who until covid is completely eradicated off this planet won’t be happy for schools to return.

Only if you are an idiot.

Vaccines have been rolled out and are continuing to be given and yet “ schools should not open”.

No one has said that "schools should not open"

I give up.

thank fuck for that.

MrsHamlet · 19/02/2021 19:29

Vaccines have been rolled out and are continuing to be given and yet “ schools should not open”.
That's not what any of us are saying.

cantkeepawayforever · 19/02/2021 19:30

@Yoshinori

Sorry I should have said return back to working in a typical fashion.

Disagree with me all you want but it seems that no matter what, there a select group of teachers who until covid is completely eradicated off this planet won’t be happy for schools to return.

Vaccines have been rolled out and are continuing to be given and yet “ schools should not open”.

I give up.

Can you explain how vaccine rollout is making schools safer for the totally unvaccinated adults and children in them?
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