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The government is about to tell you that schools are safe

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noblegiraffe · 19/02/2021 14:07

It's being reported that the government are about to embark on a two week PR campaign claiming that schools are safe. We've already seen hints of it in that Warwick report that was widely misreported as showing schools don't fuel community transmission (majorly pissing off the author who advocates a cautious return to schools).

The ONS random sampling survey graphs released today are amazing. They show a huge reduction in the infection rates due to lockdown, but the most incredible reduction is in the infection rate of secondary school children. They've gone from being the most infected subset of the population by far, to the 2nd least (behind 70+). It's clear that despite arguments that secondary kids were catching covid out of school (sleepovers, hanging around in parks etc), this just isn't true and the lack of mitigation measures in secondary schools allowed covid to run riot.

We can't re-open in the same way as in September. That would be madness. I know that people will say that it's fine, vulnerable people are being vaccinated and kids don't get it badly BUT what is not acknowledged is that kids aren't being vaccinated, a lot of their teachers won't be by March 8th, nor their parents and so we still need to keep infection levels down. In addition, rampant covid is incredibly disruptive to education. Teachers off for weeks, kids off isolating, some kids in, some kids out...Sept to Dec was a mess that we should be trying our best to avoid repeating. Vaccinations don't address that issue at all.

Community levels are low, but then they were low in September. Pubs, restaurants and non-essential shops are shut now, but we want to be able to open them. We cannot rely on community levels remaining low to stop covid getting into schools and proliferating.

We need to be careful, because certainly secondary schools aren't safe to re-open in a Big Bang gung-ho way that some are advocating, particularly with a more transmissible variant in circulation. Remember to the week before Christmas when school attendance plummeted in Kent and London? In one LA, secondary attendance was at 17%. And yet the DfE decided to threaten schools that wanted to close early to stop the spread with legal action. The schools were right, and the DfE was wrong. Gavin Williamson can't be trusted to have sensible conversations about safety, he's more interested in bully-boy tactics and setting himself up in opposition to teachers and schools.

What can be done? I think there is room to open schools in some way on March 8th. My personal preference (and I'm no spokesperson for teachers here, other opinions will vary) would be primaries back and exam years back for three weeks, then Easter can be used to examine the impact of the full primary re-opening . I'm not sure that school is such a major factor in transmission at primary as it is at secondary for various reasons, however I'm sure that my primary colleagues have their own ideas about what needs to be done there. If full primary re-opening looks untenable, then I would prefer rotas to only certain year groups in. Some school for all pupils would be better than all school for some pupils as we had last year.

Secondary is a different kettle of fish and should be treated separately. Secondaries were a massive risk for transmission. The word 'bubble' should never be used in reference to secondary schools again, as 'bubble' means a group of people who all have to isolate if one of them catches covid, which went in the bin in secondary around the end of September. There are some easy wins in secondary -
Masks in classrooms would be easy and cheap to implement. Exemptions would apply and clear ones could be provided where necessary for lip reading.
A national programme to improve ventilation.
Testing and isolation of any contacts where positive cases are found to flush out asymptomatic pupils (PCR not LFT).
Moving quickly to remote learning where there are outbreaks instead of trying to keep year groups in and schools open as covid works its way through - the attendance just before Christmas in some schools meant kids would have been better served educationally if they were all at home.

Home LFT testing of kids - I'm not convinced tbh, maybe in addition to above measures, but certainly not instead of them.

So if the government messaging is as it has been: schools are safe and no additional measures to contain the spread in secondary are needed then they are lying and our kids deserve a more consistent and sustainable education than they got from September.

Fingers crossed they are more sensible than we have previously seen.

The government is about to tell you that schools are safe
The government is about to tell you that schools are safe
The government is about to tell you that schools are safe
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dividedwefall · 19/02/2021 16:27

Have people also forgotten that there is no evidence for asymptomatic transmission?

mellongoose · 19/02/2021 16:28

I would like to see schools open.

With vulnerable groups vaccinated, even if we get COVID we are unlikely to get really poorly. Harsh as it sounds (and I know it does) I would prefer kids back in school. Especially kids with a rubbish home life.

MrsHamlet · 19/02/2021 16:28

It's not been nearly a year. Schools were closed a week of two before Easter. So even if they didn't get to go back in the summer, that's a term plus a bit.
Schools have now been closed for half a term - but with the expectation that remote education is provided.
That's a term and a half. Not a year.
It's shit. No one is denying that. But hyperbolising it doesn't help at all.

herecomesthsun · 19/02/2021 16:28

@dividedwefall

Have people also forgotten that there is no evidence for asymptomatic transmission?
come now
Tiktokersmiracle · 19/02/2021 16:29

I agree OP
It is not safe
It's not safe for children
It's not safe for staff

As DD said, "I'm not going back to school so another one of our teachers can die and we have that on our conscience for ever, thanks very much".

I don't think I could put it better

buffyp · 19/02/2021 16:30

@Monkeytennis97

Secondary teacher here.

Absolutely agree with you.

If the Big Bang happens it won't be long before the ICUs are full of unvaccinated parents and education staff.

Absolute nonsense. The vast majority of parents and teachers who may get it will be fine and nowhere near a hospital. Those who are vulnerable and at risk will have been vaccinated. Stop being hysterical. Whether you like it or not the country cannot continue much longer with lockdowns or it will be completely bankrupt. There will be no money for furlough then.
AfternoonToffee · 19/02/2021 16:30

Always more coffee I agree that decisions should be made on a local authority / school level, blanket policies are not the answer.

Robinkitty · 19/02/2021 16:30

Kids need to be in school they really are missing out on so much.

I work in a nursery school, spent the week with a new starter attached to me ( holding my hand, on my lap, next to me for 4 days straight. She tested positive for COVID over the weekend. I didn’t catch it from her, neither did any of her class mates or the other staff members.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 19/02/2021 16:30

@dividedwefall

Have people also forgotten that there is no evidence for asymptomatic transmission?
Hmm

Presumably they test for no reason then when areas have high cases ....

Linearpark · 19/02/2021 16:30

Apart from you, effectively. what a clever retort, how clever you are

Poppyliveshere · 19/02/2021 16:30

@Wnikat

Vulnerable teachers have been vaccinated.
No they haven’t! My DH age 53 T1 diabetic hasn’t been vaccinated yet, nor have any of the others in cohort 6 where we live Hmm
Ohnomoreno · 19/02/2021 16:30

You again.

lavenderlou · 19/02/2021 16:31

The yellow line went mad because primary children were catching Covid?

Yes, but it’s unclear where they were catching it and why there was a sudden increase given previous rates and nothing much changing.

Sorry,have only read the first few pages but wanted to respond to this. The jump in primary school cases in December was almost certainly down to the new variant. I live in Essex and although most schools locally seemed to have one or two isolations in the Autumn term, we were not too badly affected. Come December when we were very badly hit by the Kent variant, all that changed. 3 out of 4 primaries in my town had to close, half my own primary school in a nearby town was isolated. Far more children locally were testing positive.

The first graph posted shows that the rate in primary students has dropped more slowly than secondary school pupils in January, and even grew at one point. That's doubtless because far more primary school pupils are still attending. We have 25% of our pupils in and 3 out of 4 bubbles popped in January due to pupils testing positive.

I teach KS1 and I think we do need to return as soon as possible as numbers have dropped significantly but parents will need to be prepared that further isolations will probably be needed. I also think that until the vaccination programme has fully taken effect if people want schools open, many other restrictions need to remain in place. Secondary schools, where online learning is generally more workable, should return more gradually or on a rota basis.

BrownEyedBlonde · 19/02/2021 16:31

I agree with you @noblegiraffe with regards to a phased return and that’s even though I’m desperate for my Y9, DS to return.

Before Christmas he was in and out of school, three lots of burst bubbles, it just seemed chaotic. School cannot adequately support social distancing as there just isn’t the room.

I totally agree that the government should hold off for the majority of secondary school pupils to return until at least after Easter and go from there. I really wouldn’t want the same level of disruption again.

HeadSpin5 · 19/02/2021 16:32

@herecomesthsun Christmas carols?! Torture!! But seriously, if you accept this position for your KS2 then fair enough, that’s your call. I don’t, not anymore. And whilst I know this will sound stalker-y, I recognise your username as you post a lot on these threads so your position re schools is very clear. But my patience (and my employer’s) has run dry. I’m not even necessarily arguing for all in at once (though I see why some are), just that something is put in place for this KS2 years left out again, if that’s what happens.

MrsHamlet · 19/02/2021 16:32

@Tiktokersmiracle I'm so sorry that your daughter has had to deal with that. Poor kid.

dividedwefall · 19/02/2021 16:32

As opinions are so divided, I don't see why schools can't open for those who want them open, and closed for those who are too scared?

AfternoonToffee · 19/02/2021 16:33

@Tiktokersmiracle

I agree OP It is not safe It's not safe for children It's not safe for staff

As DD said, "I'm not going back to school so another one of our teachers can die and we have that on our conscience for ever, thanks very much".

I don't think I could put it better

How old is your DD?
Delatron · 19/02/2021 16:33

I do think many posters fail to do an accurate risk assessment. Even if you are 80 and you catch Covid you are far more likely to survive than die. What do you think the stats are for 40/50/60 year olds?

It’s a mild illness for most, that hasn’t changed. You can’t argue with statistics. Go and have a read what your personal chance of dying from Covid is. The fear is ridiculous and disproportionate.

Tiktokersmiracle · 19/02/2021 16:33

[quote MrsHamlet]@Tiktokersmiracle I'm so sorry that your daughter has had to deal with that. Poor kid.[/quote]
They're quite the deep thinker at 14. Far more than I was at that age
And of course, it wasn't their fault at all. Not even slightly. But to them, that poor teacher died doing his job

Linearpark · 19/02/2021 16:34

Presumably they test for no reason then when areas have high cases ... you clearly do not read around this subject much. I do despair of posters' belief that the government and it's chief scientists know exactly what they are doing and actually have the general population and their welbeing at heart.

Londonmummy66 · 19/02/2021 16:34

THh issue I have is that no one has actually done a proper review of the non-COVID impact of opening schools. Teenagers suffered enough MH problems preCOVID and they are really struggling now. Years 10-13 really need to be the first back as stress and anxiety is taking its toll.

dividedwefall · 19/02/2021 16:35

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss well, yes. I really think they are testing for no reason.

GintyMcGinty · 19/02/2021 16:35

Excellent. I am delighted.

I can't wait. Kids can't wait.

We are learning feck all by powerpoint/worksheets. They need human interactions. They need to see their friends.

Both primary and secondary.

LadyPenelope68 · 19/02/2021 16:35

Yet ANOTHER thread about the same thing, jeez, just tag onto the others before starting another one rehashing the same old crap and school/teacher bashing🤬