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Anti-lockdown campaigners using children to push their agenda

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noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 12:08

I can't be the only one disgusted with how certain groups are using faux concern about children to push the earliest dismantling of lockdown restrictions.

They are loudly catastrophising on the front pages of the press about our kids. The lost generation. £40,000 in lost earnings. Articles about schools full of traumatised kids suffering PTSD caused by lockdown.

And the solution they propose is always to re-open schools as early as possible. Even before March 8th. Regardless of covid.

Now, the situation in schools before Christmas was awful. Some areas of the country had less than 50% attendance due to the new variant ripping through secondary schools. Secondary school kids were the most infected subset of the population by far, and are now the second least infected subset of the population behind the 70+ age group after schools were closed, demonstrating that there was a massive problem with transmission in secondary schools. It wasn't good for pupils' mental health or education to be in a situation when they didn't know if they'd be in school or out at the drop of a hat. But before Christmas, there was complete media silence on the impact that this was having on children.

CAMHS has been devastated by cuts. Waiting lists are intolerable and children in dire need of support don't even qualify. Same for social care around vulnerable children.

Yet you won't hear these people clamouring for schools re-opening as soon as possible talking at all about how to improve safety measures in schools to prevent the scenario we had before Christmas happening again. You won't hear them demanding more funding for children's mental health services and for more support for social care services.

And the reason you won't hear that is that THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT.

The reason that they want schools re-opened as quickly as possible is because the message was that schools had to open first.

They can't get what they really want open (everything else) until schools are open, hence the massive focus on schools and how terrible things are for children.

This catastrophising isn't good for parents or kids. It's scaremongering and unhelpful.

I know that there are kids (and parents) really struggling with their mental health and worried about their education. Blaring out messages about how terrible things are and how they will never recover because you want to hype up the message about schools going back is irresponsible and sickening.

We need sensible and calm conversations about how to support children and parents. We need funding for schools and massive investment in support services. We need a long-term program of recovery, not 9 months of a Catch-Up Tsar and quick fixes. We need a measured and sensible approach to schools re-opening that won't see kids in and out and in and out due to lack of mitigation measures causing rampant covid spread (particularly with the new variant).

We need these anti-lockdown campaigners to shut up and stop dominating the narrative.

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MaudesMum · 14/02/2021 19:46

I've got no skin in this game in that I'm neither a parent or a teacher, but - despite that - I totally agree that schools going back should be a priority as we slowly edge our way out of lockdown. BUT there does have to be a sensible timetable for that, rather than one which waits for all teachers to be vaccinated (even if they're in their 20s), all school buildings to be re-modelled, and a rate of community transmission that is so low that we could probably all go to the pub without there being any risk... If we wait that long an awful lot of children will be additionally disadvantaged by having parents who are out of work - either because their employers can't put up with them home-schooling and working at the same time or because their businesses have gone bust.

AfternoonToffee · 14/02/2021 19:46

@stilllovingmysleep

There are worse things that can happen than death by covid. And I believe they are currently happening to many children

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow such as? What as these "worse things"?

Well suicide, poverty (going hungry), sexual abuse, physical abuse, untreated medical conditions to name just a few.

Death by covid is no worse or better than death by any other means, but living is not always an enjoyable, positive experience.

noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 19:47

@Verashat

I have noticed lots of faux concern about children, domestic violence etc being used to stop lockdown. I am with James O’Brien on it being hijacked for an agenda.
Yes, I've seen this too. It was interesting that a pp also pointed this out about cancer patients.
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noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 19:48

rather than one which waits for all teachers to be vaccinated (even if they're in their 20s), all school buildings to be re-modelled, and a rate of community transmission that is so low that we could probably all go to the pub without there being any risk

Strawman?

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stilllovingmysleep · 14/02/2021 19:49

Yes they have an agenda but the posters with their starry eyed DCs out enjoying nature and special mummy time during lockdown also have an agenda

@rookiemere I haven't seen many of those. At least not on this thread. We are all struggling hugely with lockdown and we all appreciate the negative effects on DC

It's the hyperbole that is being pointed out, and the use of children by libertarian and Tory groups to push reopening without mitigations

DenisetheMenace · 14/02/2021 19:50

Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow

I’m amazed at the parents who think kids will be fine as long as parents don’t project their negativity

Actually laughable

“I must tell my sister to buck up and stop causing her child to feel suicidal“

So sorry to read that. I think we probably have very different opinions but that’s really hard.

stilllovingmysleep · 14/02/2021 19:54

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow

noble so what is your view on kids then? That they will all bounce back because children are so “resilient”?

We actually have no idea. This is all very new and a massive experiment.

So for everyone who thinks we need zero covid and restrictions there are others who have grave grave reservations about the impact on kids.

Only time will tell I guess.

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow we do have an idea though

Previous pandemics have happened
Wars have happened
Other disasters too
Children generally have been shown to have remarkable resilience during such situations
I'm not painting a rosy image, but trying to be accurate on what I've studied

The main finding in the Second World War, in research at war nurseries during the blitz was that children did much better than expected and managed the bombs falling quite well, as long as their parents were doing ok. The biggest problem for children in the war was when they were separated from their parents eg when they were sent away out of London, or parents died

DenisetheMenace · 14/02/2021 19:54

“It's the hyperbole that is being pointed out, and the use of children by libertarian and Tory groups to push reopening without mitigations”

Exactly. Like they don’t have an agenda!
JR-M, Swainey, Walker, ID-S, Graham forgotten his surname and their ilk, safe in their comfortably padded ivory towers, want the plebs back out earning and paying their taxes. If you believe they care about your kids, you are deluded.

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 14/02/2021 19:54

've got no skin in this game in that I'm neither a parent or a teacher, but - despite that - I totally agree that schools going back should be a priority as we slowly edge our way out of lockdown.

I think we all have skin in this. Parents and teachers more so, of course, but the rest of society will have to live with the consequences of a this mess.

Wherediditgo · 14/02/2021 19:54

MN really had turned in to the twilight zone

Ylvamoon · 14/02/2021 19:56

And you can be damned sure that schools will be gearing up to address them. And are already engaging in addressing them

Of course you can make up for lost learning but some things can't be... no expert in the world will be able to replace lost time.

Back in March, DD was dropped like a hot potato by the school: no GCSE to sit that's it. A few calls that's all. She had a weekend job in a restaurant, been laid off.
There are no weekend jobs available at the moment.

She is currently at college online learning... she can see the teacher but not the other students. Social distancing and lockdown means she has missed out on getting to know her new class mates, building new friendships and alliances.

Please tell me what type of professional or what amount of money will replace this lost time.

echt · 14/02/2021 19:57

@rookiemere

Oh here we go again. Let's blame parents for DCs not having a super fun time in lockdown.

FWIW I do not moan about DS not being at school in his presence. But when he says that he is struggling to engage with the work I'm not going to deny him his truth that yes it is harder for him at home than it is at school, along with trying to work out study strategies.

noblegiraffe is not blaming parents.
stilllovingmysleep · 14/02/2021 19:59

@PinkFondantFancy And to the poster above, no, I'm not putting words in their mouths that they're struggling - it's a fact that they are that is glaringly obvious for all to see.

Of course they're struggling, that shows they are normal kids reacting in an appropriate way to a difficult situation. I would be worried about any kid right now who is completely ok with everything that's going on

That doesn't mean they are a "lost generation" etc

BringBiscuits · 14/02/2021 19:59

@noblegiraffe

I think your OP is unfair to parents

I'll tell myself off for being unfair to myself.

If you’re referring to my post, the OP stands for ‘opening post’ in this context.
HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 14/02/2021 20:00

@Ylvamoon Sunk costs theory now though, that time is gone.

What else do you think should have happened?

echt · 14/02/2021 20:00

@PinkFondantFancy

I think your OP is unfair to parents. I couldn't give a toss if pubs or in fact anything else is reopened if that's what needs to be sacrificed so that my children get a normal education and a normal childhood.

And to the poster above, no, I'm not putting words in their mouths that they're struggling - it's a fact that they are that is glaringly obvious for all to see.

noblegiraffe is not blaming parents.
ichundich · 14/02/2021 20:02

Worrying about the toll of lockdown on children's mental health and wanting your own kids back in school because they have missed nearly two terms already are not mutually exclusive, you know?! The assessment that my daughter's class teacher carried out on their learning in October revealed that in a class of 30 all but 3 had fallen behind in the summer term in maths and English. Many of these kids will have dedicated parents who tried very hard homeschooling, but the majority are not teachers and cannot replicate a school's learning environment, which is what (most) children need to thrive. Perhaps you're just not that into teaching, OP?

Wherediditgo · 14/02/2021 20:02

I would agree that CAMHS needs more funding. But IMO, that is almost a separate topic because it is a ‘cure’ - we need the prevention - i.e. children being able to go back to a place of education and get back to some sort of normality - for many it will prevent the need for using a service like CAMHS.

stilllovingmysleep · 14/02/2021 20:02

@AfternoonToffee Well suicide, poverty (going hungry), sexual abuse, physical abuse, untreated medical conditions to name just a few.

Not sure I understand though who is claiming that Covid is a more "important" death?
My general point would be that unchecked Covid spread in the community doesn't help with any of the things you mention above
For a number of reasons, including nhs overload , services being closed or half closed, people being traumatised if deaths were even higher etc

So it's not about Covid being "more important". It's just that having too much of it in the community has proven to be devastating for everything else too

MrsHamlet · 14/02/2021 20:05

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow

Don’t start me on the bloody teachers union.

Do any teachers actually support their militant views?

Given that the unions represent the views of their members, not the other way round, the answer is clear. I'm not sure it's militant to protect the members of your organisation though.
LolaSmiles · 14/02/2021 20:05

It's the hyperbole that is being pointed out, and the use of children by libertarian and Tory groups to push reopening without mitigations
This.
There are some very genuine concerns about children and families during lockdown. There are some very genuine concerns about education.

The people pushing this 'back to normal' as quick as possible, open the schools as normal, lose the restrictions don't actually care about children, families or education. If they did then they would be talking about proper measures to support them, they would be crying out for properly funded CAMHS, proper support for early years provision, reform of the curriculum, proper consideration of how to open schools in a way that is safe for children, staff and the community.

Funnily enough they never want to have that conversation because they're too busy arguing the meanie teachers want to ruin a generation.

Anyone who spends 30 seconds looking into groups such as Us4Them would easily find they are an astroturf organisation that are hijacking issues for their own agenda.

HalfPastThree · 14/02/2021 20:05

This is a very silly discussion. They OP's whole premise seems to be that if you reopen schools it will suddenly trigger loads of community transmission. There's no evidence for this and it has been debunked many times before.

Schools were closed because in early January there was a risk that the NHS would be overwhelmed. That risk has now gone, so the schools should open immediately. It's not complicated.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 14/02/2021 20:06

I’m with you op. The fucking ‘Covid Recovery Group’

White middle aged men concerned about the investments and nothing else. Specially not children.

If they were so concerned where was the investment in Schools and CAHMS years ago?

Dickheads

BringBiscuits · 14/02/2021 20:06

gallbladderpain

BringBiscuits
I think OP is being really unfair to the parents of kids like mine who have literally not seen a single person outside of their immediate household for the last six weeks and the majority of last year. The only interaction my son has with other kids is via his xbox. Is it ‘faux concern’ to think this is really unhealthy for a child?

Seriously there is bloody kids haven't been able to see a single person outside their household for a year now because of covid and because no one is making an effort to reduce transmission in schools so these kids can attend ! I think they will survive 6 flipping weeks just fine !

If you read my post you’ll see my kids have been isolated for pretty much a year. Not just six weeks.

gallbladderpain · 14/02/2021 20:08

@ichundich

Worrying about the toll of lockdown on children's mental health and wanting your own kids back in school because they have missed nearly two terms already are not mutually exclusive, you know?! The assessment that my daughter's class teacher carried out on their learning in October revealed that in a class of 30 all but 3 had fallen behind in the summer term in maths and English. Many of these kids will have dedicated parents who tried very hard homeschooling, but the majority are not teachers and cannot replicate a school's learning environment, which is what (most) children need to thrive. Perhaps you're just not that into teaching, OP?
There is more to life than maths and English ! People need to start realising this. Learning can happen at any stage...just because a child is now a couple of terms behind on their times tables doesn't mean they are set up to fail ! Everyone's worried about the pressure of lockdown on their kids, it doesn't seem too many are worried about the mental health impacts constant assessments of children's educational abilities based on data from years back that didn't include a pandemic