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Anti-lockdown campaigners using children to push their agenda

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noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 12:08

I can't be the only one disgusted with how certain groups are using faux concern about children to push the earliest dismantling of lockdown restrictions.

They are loudly catastrophising on the front pages of the press about our kids. The lost generation. £40,000 in lost earnings. Articles about schools full of traumatised kids suffering PTSD caused by lockdown.

And the solution they propose is always to re-open schools as early as possible. Even before March 8th. Regardless of covid.

Now, the situation in schools before Christmas was awful. Some areas of the country had less than 50% attendance due to the new variant ripping through secondary schools. Secondary school kids were the most infected subset of the population by far, and are now the second least infected subset of the population behind the 70+ age group after schools were closed, demonstrating that there was a massive problem with transmission in secondary schools. It wasn't good for pupils' mental health or education to be in a situation when they didn't know if they'd be in school or out at the drop of a hat. But before Christmas, there was complete media silence on the impact that this was having on children.

CAMHS has been devastated by cuts. Waiting lists are intolerable and children in dire need of support don't even qualify. Same for social care around vulnerable children.

Yet you won't hear these people clamouring for schools re-opening as soon as possible talking at all about how to improve safety measures in schools to prevent the scenario we had before Christmas happening again. You won't hear them demanding more funding for children's mental health services and for more support for social care services.

And the reason you won't hear that is that THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT.

The reason that they want schools re-opened as quickly as possible is because the message was that schools had to open first.

They can't get what they really want open (everything else) until schools are open, hence the massive focus on schools and how terrible things are for children.

This catastrophising isn't good for parents or kids. It's scaremongering and unhelpful.

I know that there are kids (and parents) really struggling with their mental health and worried about their education. Blaring out messages about how terrible things are and how they will never recover because you want to hype up the message about schools going back is irresponsible and sickening.

We need sensible and calm conversations about how to support children and parents. We need funding for schools and massive investment in support services. We need a long-term program of recovery, not 9 months of a Catch-Up Tsar and quick fixes. We need a measured and sensible approach to schools re-opening that won't see kids in and out and in and out due to lack of mitigation measures causing rampant covid spread (particularly with the new variant).

We need these anti-lockdown campaigners to shut up and stop dominating the narrative.

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DenisetheMenace · 14/02/2021 19:28

Piggywaspushed

“This is the crucial bit really : Boris has enraged the CRG and other right wingers who want pubs and hospitality etc back and everything normal. They do not give one shiny shot about education , or mental health (just have a little look at how they vote on these issues) Hence , they want to rush schools back in so they can then bray at him about everything else. Noble isn't accusing individual parents of stoking things. It is a group of right wingers, machinating.“

Spot on. Dangerous bunch. The arrogance of it, self-appointed “Covid Recovery Group”. Who the hell do they think they are? Their extreme libertarian views have consistently ran contrary to public opinion.

noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 19:30

@BringBiscuits

I think OP is being really unfair to the parents of kids like mine who have literally not seen a single person outside of their immediate household for the last six weeks and the majority of last year. The only interaction my son has with other kids is via his xbox. Is it ‘faux concern’ to think this is really unhealthy for a child?
I'm in exactly the same position. Of course it's not 'faux concern' to be worried about your kids.
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AfternoonToffee · 14/02/2021 19:30

@BringBiscuits

I think OP is being really unfair to the parents of kids like mine who have literally not seen a single person outside of their immediate household for the last six weeks and the majority of last year. The only interaction my son has with other kids is via his xbox. Is it ‘faux concern’ to think this is really unhealthy for a child?
My teenager, today, met a friend outside for a walk. It was 0 degrees, raining with a bitterly cold wind. She hates the outdoors, but so desperate was she to see and talk to a friend that she did it.

Bizarrely, the autistic one who isn't bothered by socialisation is getting the most. Two days a week at school plus his fortnightly autism support group.

gallbladderpain · 14/02/2021 19:31

There would be less grave concerns about children if bloody parents stopped going on about it !
If you would stop going on to kids about how they will be a lost generation, how badly their education is being affected etc

My children have not been at school in 1 year now. In that time they are still in their same sets with school work infact just in the last week one of them was moved up a set in Reading and literacy and I can tell you what they have learnt kindness, compassion and understanding for others...that cannot be taught at a desk and i hope they never lose that because it will set them above the rest in the future.

Children are resilient if we allow them to be and we don't keep beating them down with negativity !!

rookiemere · 14/02/2021 19:31

There is an endgame to all this though. By Autumn all adults will have received the vaccination, therefore all DCs should be able to return to school without distancing measures - I'm on the fence about masks for secondaries tbh, if they demonstrably help keep transmission down then fine.

Meanwhile as people get vaccinated schools can gradually reopen. I certainly don't agree with a big bang approach in March - utter recipe for disaster - but nor do I agree that we need to wait until the Autumn term. Let back younger primary years and get them in slowly whilst vaccinating everyone quickly.

gallbladderpain · 14/02/2021 19:32

I think the main issue is socialisation. Stop going on about educational losses and focus more on opportunities for children to socialise with their peers.

gallbladderpain · 14/02/2021 19:35

@BringBiscuits

I think OP is being really unfair to the parents of kids like mine who have literally not seen a single person outside of their immediate household for the last six weeks and the majority of last year. The only interaction my son has with other kids is via his xbox. Is it ‘faux concern’ to think this is really unhealthy for a child?
Seriously there is bloody kids haven't been able to see a single person outside their household for a year now because of covid and because no one is making an effort to reduce transmission in schools so these kids can attend ! I think they will survive 6 flipping weeks just fine !
DenisetheMenace · 14/02/2021 19:35

gallbladderpain

There would be less grave concerns about children if bloody parents stopped going on about it !
If you would stop going on to kids about how they will be a lost generation, how badly their education is being affected etc

My children have not been at school in 1 year now. In that time they are still in their same sets with school work infact just in the last week one of them was moved up a set in Reading and literacy and I can tell you what they have learnt kindness, compassion and understanding for others...that cannot be taught at a desk and i hope they never lose that because it will set them above the rest in the future.

Children are resilient if we allow them to be and we don't keep beating them down with negativity !!

I agree. Our personal
experience has been that an awful lot of kids, especially teens, have dealt with the situation in a more mature way than their parents, accepting it for what it is, a temporary situation and avoiding much of the drama.
It can become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Ylvamoon · 14/02/2021 19:36

Then it must annoy you to see the message being hijacked to purely promote 'Back to school' and not 'we need more funding and proper expertise devoted to this issue

You can throw money at The Issue, get some experts working with the most vulnerable kids, have group concilling for 8 - 14 year olds or give out free laptops for home learning.

All this will not replace the missed playtime, learning and other social interactions.

It will not give back time missed of having a first job while still at school and learning about how to negotiate the "adult world".
So what, hijacked or not, there IS an issue that needs to be addressed.
In this case putting the plight of our children and young adults on the agenda is a good thing.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 14/02/2021 19:36

@gallbladderpain

There would be less grave concerns about children if bloody parents stopped going on about it ! If you would stop going on to kids about how they will be a lost generation, how badly their education is being affected etc

My children have not been at school in 1 year now. In that time they are still in their same sets with school work infact just in the last week one of them was moved up a set in Reading and literacy and I can tell you what they have learnt kindness, compassion and understanding for others...that cannot be taught at a desk and i hope they never lose that because it will set them above the rest in the future.

Children are resilient if we allow them to be and we don't keep beating them down with negativity !!

I doubt very much that people are sitting down with their kids and telling them their futures bleak. People are voicing their concerns here as parents on a parenting forum with other parents.

Not sitting down after tea and having these conversations with their children.

noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 19:38

So what, hijacked or not, there IS an issue that needs to be addressed.

And you can be damned sure that schools will be gearing up to address them. And are already engaging in addressing them.

What we would like is funding for support agencies and actual expertise so we're not left on our own to do it.

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gallbladderpain · 14/02/2021 19:38

I know many parents putting words in their children's mouths. I don't believe everyone is but if I had a pound for every zoom call when someone has said 'you are really struggling with homeschooling and missing your friends you just want school back don't you?' while looking at their DC !

noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 19:39

I doubt very much that people are sitting down with their kids and telling them their futures bleak.

Have you not seen the letters that a certain group have been publishing on twitter, supposedly written by their 8 year old to their MP bemoaning how their educational life chances are being ruined by remote learning?

Well I hope the letters are fake, anyway.

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DenisetheMenace · 14/02/2021 19:39

gallbladderpain

Seriously there is bloody kids haven't been able to see a single person outside their household for a year now because of covid and because no one is making an effort to reduce transmission in schools so these kids can attend ! I think they will survive 6 flipping weeks just fine “

Ours is one of those, been wfh on his A levels since mid-Feb last year. Bit of a wobble at Christmas when he couldn’t see his sister and nephew but is looking onwards and upwards again now. Recently “celebrated” his 18th , at home, with mum and dad, surprise, surprise 🙄 hugged him tight and said so sorry that it’s like this. He replied, it’s what it is, we’ll go out and celebrate in the summer.
He’s looking forward to uni and putting this all behind him.

AfternoonToffee · 14/02/2021 19:39

@gallbladderpain

There would be less grave concerns about children if bloody parents stopped going on about it ! If you would stop going on to kids about how they will be a lost generation, how badly their education is being affected etc

My children have not been at school in 1 year now. In that time they are still in their same sets with school work infact just in the last week one of them was moved up a set in Reading and literacy and I can tell you what they have learnt kindness, compassion and understanding for others...that cannot be taught at a desk and i hope they never lose that because it will set them above the rest in the future.

Children are resilient if we allow them to be and we don't keep beating them down with negativity !!

I don't bloody go on about it, but my children are being affected. DS because he simply can't cope and his siblings because of how he is when he can't cope.

Kindness, compassion, understanding whilst your big brother is screaming in your face and being verbally and physically aggressive? Ain't going to happen.

And before anyone tells me to seek help, no one fucking wants to, no one gives a fucking shit, they didn't before, they don't now. Our latest "help" was the suggestion to do a visual timetable, like I haven't already done that for the past eight years. We are simply not their problem.

stilllovingmysleep · 14/02/2021 19:40

There are worse things that can happen than death by covid. And I believe they are currently happening to many children

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow such as? What as these "worse things"?

PinkFondantFancy · 14/02/2021 19:41

I think your OP is unfair to parents. I couldn't give a toss if pubs or in fact anything else is reopened if that's what needs to be sacrificed so that my children get a normal education and a normal childhood.

And to the poster above, no, I'm not putting words in their mouths that they're struggling - it's a fact that they are that is glaringly obvious for all to see.

Verashat · 14/02/2021 19:41

I have noticed lots of faux concern about children, domestic violence etc being used to stop lockdown. I am with James O’Brien on it being hijacked for an agenda.

Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 14/02/2021 19:42

I’m amazed at the parents who think kids will be fine as long as parents don’t project their negativity

Actually laughable

I must tell my sister to buck up and stop causing her child to feel suicidal

LivinLaVidaLoki · 14/02/2021 19:42

@noblegiraffe

I doubt very much that people are sitting down with their kids and telling them their futures bleak.

Have you not seen the letters that a certain group have been publishing on twitter, supposedly written by their 8 year old to their MP bemoaning how their educational life chances are being ruined by remote learning?

Well I hope the letters are fake, anyway.

I would also hope they are fake.

I can't believe any parent who claims to care about their child's mental health would behave in such a way that would be so detrimental to it.

noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 19:43

I think your OP is unfair to parents

I'll tell myself off for being unfair to myself.

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rookiemere · 14/02/2021 19:43

Oh here we go again. Let's blame parents for DCs not having a super fun time in lockdown.

FWIW I do not moan about DS not being at school in his presence. But when he says that he is struggling to engage with the work I'm not going to deny him his truth that yes it is harder for him at home than it is at school, along with trying to work out study strategies.

gallbladderpain · 14/02/2021 19:43

@AfternoonToffee

Sorry to hear this and there is difficulties for families such as yours exactly as you have described. Others are complaining about much easier set of circumstances.
But it leads back to the OP, we can go on all we want about how getting kids back to school because of their mental health. That is not a schools problem to solve every child's mental health problems and the support as you know is not there sadly, it never has been and it won't be after this either despite everyone going on about the mental health of children in a bid to get schools reopened

DenisetheMenace · 14/02/2021 19:45

LivinLaVidaLoki

noblegiraffe
I doubt very much that people are sitting down with their kids and telling them their futures bleak.

Some are, I’ve heard them doing it. Bloody idiots.

stilllovingmysleep · 14/02/2021 19:46

@noblegiraffe

What I am arguing against is the direct assertion that people claiming to care about the physical and mental well being of children are using faux concern to further their own selfish agendas, or that the same such people have never had an interest in either improving funding for schools, or in the mental and physical well being of children.

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@noblegiraffe covid's lost generation!!! Confused

For goodness sake. The hyperbole!

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