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Anti-lockdown campaigners using children to push their agenda

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noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 12:08

I can't be the only one disgusted with how certain groups are using faux concern about children to push the earliest dismantling of lockdown restrictions.

They are loudly catastrophising on the front pages of the press about our kids. The lost generation. £40,000 in lost earnings. Articles about schools full of traumatised kids suffering PTSD caused by lockdown.

And the solution they propose is always to re-open schools as early as possible. Even before March 8th. Regardless of covid.

Now, the situation in schools before Christmas was awful. Some areas of the country had less than 50% attendance due to the new variant ripping through secondary schools. Secondary school kids were the most infected subset of the population by far, and are now the second least infected subset of the population behind the 70+ age group after schools were closed, demonstrating that there was a massive problem with transmission in secondary schools. It wasn't good for pupils' mental health or education to be in a situation when they didn't know if they'd be in school or out at the drop of a hat. But before Christmas, there was complete media silence on the impact that this was having on children.

CAMHS has been devastated by cuts. Waiting lists are intolerable and children in dire need of support don't even qualify. Same for social care around vulnerable children.

Yet you won't hear these people clamouring for schools re-opening as soon as possible talking at all about how to improve safety measures in schools to prevent the scenario we had before Christmas happening again. You won't hear them demanding more funding for children's mental health services and for more support for social care services.

And the reason you won't hear that is that THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT.

The reason that they want schools re-opened as quickly as possible is because the message was that schools had to open first.

They can't get what they really want open (everything else) until schools are open, hence the massive focus on schools and how terrible things are for children.

This catastrophising isn't good for parents or kids. It's scaremongering and unhelpful.

I know that there are kids (and parents) really struggling with their mental health and worried about their education. Blaring out messages about how terrible things are and how they will never recover because you want to hype up the message about schools going back is irresponsible and sickening.

We need sensible and calm conversations about how to support children and parents. We need funding for schools and massive investment in support services. We need a long-term program of recovery, not 9 months of a Catch-Up Tsar and quick fixes. We need a measured and sensible approach to schools re-opening that won't see kids in and out and in and out due to lack of mitigation measures causing rampant covid spread (particularly with the new variant).

We need these anti-lockdown campaigners to shut up and stop dominating the narrative.

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borntobequiet · 14/02/2021 19:03

According to who? You?

According to the BBC, 15 million people have so far received one dose of vaccine. That’s wonderful, but, from the article (linked):
millions more people aged 50 and over and other priority groups by spring.
is pretty vague and nowhere near the population immunity to keep infection rates down in late spring/early summer.

We want to open up society, of course. But not at the expense of increasing infections, which is what will happen if schools open fully too early.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833

DBML · 14/02/2021 19:04

@1dayatatime

Teachers and school staff have a duty of care to keep your children safe when in school.

We can’t promise to do that right now. We can’t promise they won’t bring a mutant strain of a nasty virus home, that could kill one of your family.

We don’t just want safety measures for us. We want them for your children, who we care about...and for our children who attend schools too.

Why are you trying to silence us? You should want to join us and our union, in campaigning for a safer reopening.

Bollss · 14/02/2021 19:06

We can’t promise to do that right now. We can’t promise they won’t bring a mutant strain of a nasty virus home, that could kill one of your family.

You have never been, and never will be able to promise that.

FrippEnos · 14/02/2021 19:06

1dayatatime

Outside of Covid if somebody posted on MN a concern that they felt their working conditions were unsafe, that this was causing them a high degree of stress / worry and that there was no chance of changing the situation and no legal avenues to challenge those conditions then they would be advised by most responses to leave their jobs.

I suspect that to anyone other than a teacher it would be go to the doctors and get signed off with stress.

The reality is that schools in England are highly likely to reopen on the 8th March so your options are:

Take legal action through your union on unsafe working conditions or
Accept begrudgingly what you feel are unsafe working conditions and return to the classroom or
Refuse to accept what you feel are unsafe conditions and leave the profession.

Or another round of section 44 letters and the Head teachers union going back to court to get the government to prove that it is actually safe.

noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 19:08

Outside of Covid if somebody posted on MN a concern that they felt their working conditions were unsafe, that this was causing them a high degree of stress / worry and that there was no chance of changing the situation and no legal avenues to challenge those conditions then they would be advised by most responses to leave their jobs.

And yet this is a thread about how anti-lockdown campaigners are using children to further their agenda of dismantling lockdown conditions as soon as possible.

Any comment on that?

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rookiemere · 14/02/2021 19:09

Should the Daily Mail not report the impact of DCs missing schooling then?

Yes they have an agenda but the posters with their starry eyed DCs out enjoying nature and special mummy time during lockdown also have an agenda. We all have a bias towards one position or another when we post here, it doesn't make DCs missing almost a full year of face to face education with their peers any less news worthy.

Bookridden · 14/02/2021 19:10

I feel very cynical about the observation that once early vaccination for teachers appeared to be widely supported (and rightly so IMO), a lot of prominent edutwitter folk suddenly professed that their concerns were less about teacher safety, and more about community transmission.

Also, where are the threads arguing for the safety of shop workers, who may have hundreds of people passing by them in close proximity? I am afraid that I think the NEU in particular has played a shameful part. The teachers I know personally have worked hard throughout and don't support its stance.

DBML · 14/02/2021 19:11

@TrustTheGeneGenie

In 20 years of teaching, this is the first year I’ve ever worried about deadly viruses and mutant strains. Same for most teachers who work in the UK.
I think you know that though.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 14/02/2021 19:11

[quote DBML]@1dayatatime

Teachers and school staff have a duty of care to keep your children safe when in school.

We can’t promise to do that right now. We can’t promise they won’t bring a mutant strain of a nasty virus home, that could kill one of your family.

We don’t just want safety measures for us. We want them for your children, who we care about...and for our children who attend schools too.

Why are you trying to silence us? You should want to join us and our union, in campaigning for a safer reopening.[/quote]
I could almost see your sympathetic head tilt in that post.

The same can be said for anyone who works in and goes to the supermarket, or like me who goes in and out of multiple homes and residential homes as part of our job, or anyone who works in a hospital.

0gfhty · 14/02/2021 19:13

I completely disagree and I don’t think enough has been publicised about the effect of our lockdown on children and the price the young (not just school children) are paying for the health of the older generation. Especially when you think of what proportion under 25s make of the whole population they have carried the burden of lockdown. I would like to see a bigger campaign, people need to speak out about this but it is mostly a side issue in the news

Monkeytennis97 · 14/02/2021 19:14

@Bookridden I can speak for DH and I. Both secondary teachers approaching 50. Of course we want to be vaccinated before going back to school (dream on- not going to happen, this causes my vaccinated MIL much anxiety btw), however vaccinating school staff will not stop community transmission. To be fair this has been stated numerous times on numerous threads.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 14/02/2021 19:14

@Bookridden

I feel very cynical about the observation that once early vaccination for teachers appeared to be widely supported (and rightly so IMO), a lot of prominent edutwitter folk suddenly professed that their concerns were less about teacher safety, and more about community transmission.

Also, where are the threads arguing for the safety of shop workers, who may have hundreds of people passing by them in close proximity? I am afraid that I think the NEU in particular has played a shameful part. The teachers I know personally have worked hard throughout and don't support its stance.

Absolutely this. It started as "teachers are at more risk than anyone else" Disproven. To "we should be prioritised for vaccines" fine. To "it's not about us, it's about the community"
DBML · 14/02/2021 19:15

@LivinLaVidaLoki

Oh my God! You poor thing! You absolutely should be working in those conditions with safety measures in place!
Let me know who to go to and I’ll campaign with you for a safer working environment!

Monkeytennis97 · 14/02/2021 19:18

@LivinLaVidaLoki if it makes you happier then yeah, sod it, give us the vaccine and we'll go into school I don't give a stuff about the parents who might pick it up from their kids.

(This, funnily enough, isn't the way teachers think).

noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 19:18

@TrustTheGeneGenie

What do two newspaper headlined prove?
An illustration of what I'm talking about. An anti-lockdown newspaper calling for schools to open and lockdown restrictions to be lifted blaring out unhelpful and scaremongering messages about how devastatingly awful things are for kids and how they will never recover.

Can you not see how the two things are connected? And how deeply unhelpful those actually concerned about mental health in children find the hyped up disaster messaging?

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CallmeAngelina · 14/02/2021 19:19

"Also, where are the threads arguing for the safety of shop workers, who may have hundreds of people passing by them in close proximity?"

Why don't you start one?

CallmeAngelina · 14/02/2021 19:20

"It started as "teachers are at more risk than anyone else"
"Disproven."

Not true, actually.

noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 19:21

I completely disagree and I don’t think enough has been publicised about the effect of our lockdown on children and the price the young (not just school children) are paying for the health of the older generation.

Then it must annoy you to see the message being hijacked to purely promote 'Back to school' and not 'we need more funding and proper expertise devoted to this issue'.

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Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 14/02/2021 19:21

noble so what is your view on kids then? That they will all bounce back because children are so “resilient”?

We actually have no idea. This is all very new and a massive experiment.

So for everyone who thinks we need zero covid and restrictions there are others who have grave grave reservations about the impact on kids.

Only time will tell I guess.

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 14/02/2021 19:25

Everybody's been using children's education for their own agenda, teachers' unions included.

Bollss · 14/02/2021 19:26

An illustration of what I'm talking about. An anti-lockdown newspaper calling for schools to open and lockdown restrictions to be lifted blaring out unhelpful and scaremongering messages about how devastatingly awful things are for kids and how they will never recover
Again, that is true for some children. I'll ask you again, are you advocating covering that up?

Can you not see how the two things are connected? And howdeeply unhelpfulthose actually concerned about mental health in children find the hyped up disaster messaging?

I don't think newspapers wanting lockdown ended is deeply unhelpful for anyone, except possibly you!

You don't have to read it, nor does anyone else.

I don't understand why it's unhelpful when people who are concerned about mh want the same thing?

LivinLaVidaLoki · 14/02/2021 19:27

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

Everybody's been using children's education for their own agenda, teachers' unions included.
100% agree with this
Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 14/02/2021 19:27

Don’t start me on the bloody teachers union.

Do any teachers actually support their militant views?

BringBiscuits · 14/02/2021 19:27

I think OP is being really unfair to the parents of kids like mine who have literally not seen a single person outside of their immediate household for the last six weeks and the majority of last year. The only interaction my son has with other kids is via his xbox. Is it ‘faux concern’ to think this is really unhealthy for a child?

noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 19:27

so what is your view on kids then? That they will all bounce back because children are so “resilient”?

Some won't. And we need massive funding to support those who won't. CAMHS is on its knees.

We also need, as I said in my OP, a proper long-term funded plan of recovery, not headlines about summer schools and quick fixes. Socialisation, physical education, play, fresh air, PSHE. Not just maths and English.

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