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Anti-lockdown campaigners using children to push their agenda

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noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 12:08

I can't be the only one disgusted with how certain groups are using faux concern about children to push the earliest dismantling of lockdown restrictions.

They are loudly catastrophising on the front pages of the press about our kids. The lost generation. £40,000 in lost earnings. Articles about schools full of traumatised kids suffering PTSD caused by lockdown.

And the solution they propose is always to re-open schools as early as possible. Even before March 8th. Regardless of covid.

Now, the situation in schools before Christmas was awful. Some areas of the country had less than 50% attendance due to the new variant ripping through secondary schools. Secondary school kids were the most infected subset of the population by far, and are now the second least infected subset of the population behind the 70+ age group after schools were closed, demonstrating that there was a massive problem with transmission in secondary schools. It wasn't good for pupils' mental health or education to be in a situation when they didn't know if they'd be in school or out at the drop of a hat. But before Christmas, there was complete media silence on the impact that this was having on children.

CAMHS has been devastated by cuts. Waiting lists are intolerable and children in dire need of support don't even qualify. Same for social care around vulnerable children.

Yet you won't hear these people clamouring for schools re-opening as soon as possible talking at all about how to improve safety measures in schools to prevent the scenario we had before Christmas happening again. You won't hear them demanding more funding for children's mental health services and for more support for social care services.

And the reason you won't hear that is that THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT.

The reason that they want schools re-opened as quickly as possible is because the message was that schools had to open first.

They can't get what they really want open (everything else) until schools are open, hence the massive focus on schools and how terrible things are for children.

This catastrophising isn't good for parents or kids. It's scaremongering and unhelpful.

I know that there are kids (and parents) really struggling with their mental health and worried about their education. Blaring out messages about how terrible things are and how they will never recover because you want to hype up the message about schools going back is irresponsible and sickening.

We need sensible and calm conversations about how to support children and parents. We need funding for schools and massive investment in support services. We need a long-term program of recovery, not 9 months of a Catch-Up Tsar and quick fixes. We need a measured and sensible approach to schools re-opening that won't see kids in and out and in and out due to lack of mitigation measures causing rampant covid spread (particularly with the new variant).

We need these anti-lockdown campaigners to shut up and stop dominating the narrative.

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Bollss · 14/02/2021 18:38

@HercwasanEnemyofEducation

Socialisation is trickier I agree. I have a baby who has never met another child their age. However there were plenty of opportunities last summer and Sept - Dec for socialisation. My other child spent 30+ days isolating last term. That wasn't good for his socialisation yet that is the situation many could find themselves in again if we don't re open schools with better safety measures in place.
It's not but in theory they shouldn't need to isolate if enough people are vaccinated.
HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 14/02/2021 18:40

@IfNot This whole thread is about the people that didn't care before, and won't after. You clearly don't fit into that category.

I'm all for ways to sensibly open, let's not repeat the mistakes of September 2020.

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 14/02/2021 18:40

And by 8th March enough people will not have been vaccinated.....

LivinLaVidaLoki · 14/02/2021 18:40

@IfNot

But this is what teachers have been suggesting - that we have a plan.... which isn’t just get everyone back in one go on 8th March? I’m not sure what you’re arguing against?

Oh, I thought I was very clear. But OK.
What I am arguing against is the direct assertion that people claiming to care about the physical and mental well being of children are using faux concern to further their own selfish agendas, or that the same such people have never had an interest in either improving funding for schools, or in the mental and physical well being of children. This has been directly stated- oh these fake hand wringers never cared before it impacted them and so on. I'm sick of it and it's just not true.
I also object to the idea that anyone trying to say that enough is enough and we need to be prioritising children very very soon, is somehow a shill from dodgy internet groups.
Ignore the lunatics, ignore the extremeist. MOST parents that I know feel like I do, most families are broken now, most people need teachers and schools and the government to find ways to sensibly open (and it won't be 100% safe, life isn't, sorry about that) and for children's lives to start to get back to normal.
Rather than posting endless whinges and attacks.

Absolutely agree with this.
DBML · 14/02/2021 18:41

I was reading that enough of the population vaccinated was about 60% and that’s if vaccine efficacy is around 90(odd)%.

We haven’t got either of those at the moment. So plenty of room for uncontrollable transmission.

Bollss · 14/02/2021 18:43

@HercwasanEnemyofEducation

And by 8th March enough people will not have been vaccinated.....
According to who? You?

We have no idea whether schools will open fully on the 8th March.

Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 14/02/2021 18:47

noble’it isn’t possible to eradicate covid here. It is everywhere.

Even an aim of very low numbers would mean older kids out of school for many more months.

Can you look them in the eye and tell them you are happy to fuck a year and half of their lives?

DBML · 14/02/2021 18:47

@TrustTheGeneGenierust

You do realise that opening too soon and all at once will cause rates todo at again.

What do you propose we do to prevent this?

Or do we let it rip through our unvaccinated society?

What would you do?

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 14/02/2021 18:48

According to the scientists who said (I think) 60%? We're doing pretty well at vaccinating but we're not going to jab 30 million people in 3 weeks ffs.

At less you accept that school reopening needs to be linked to vaccination rates of the community.

DBML · 14/02/2021 18:48
  • rates to soar again
MrsHamlet · 14/02/2021 18:48

Can you look them in the eye and tell them you are happy to fuck a year and half of their lives?
Please can we stop with the hyperbole?

Bollss · 14/02/2021 18:48

[quote DBML]@TrustTheGeneGenierust

You do realise that opening too soon and all at once will cause rates todo at again.

What do you propose we do to prevent this?

Or do we let it rip through our unvaccinated society?

What would you do?[/quote]
I haven't once said I think schools should open fully on the 8th March so why are you questioning me?

Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 14/02/2021 18:49

dbml that’s exactly what is being discussed. You don’t “let rip”, whatever that means. Restrictions remain. But you our kids back to education as a priority above all else.

DBML · 14/02/2021 18:51

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow
@TrustTheGeneGenie

So are you asking for children to be gradually allowed back to school? Perhaps on a part time rota? So social distancing can take place?

If so, fine, I agree.

Bollss · 14/02/2021 18:53

[quote DBML]@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow
@TrustTheGeneGenie

So are you asking for children to be gradually allowed back to school? Perhaps on a part time rota? So social distancing can take place?

If so, fine, I agree.[/quote]
I'm not asking for anything. This thread wasn't about that, was it?

I don't personally agree with smaller children social distancing under any circumstances though.

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 14/02/2021 18:54

You've spent the whole thread arguing that kids MH has been trashed and schools need to open. Yet now you're pretending you don't want schools open Hmm

Bollss · 14/02/2021 18:55

@HercwasanEnemyofEducation

You've spent the whole thread arguing that kids MH has been trashed and schools need to open. Yet now you're pretending you don't want schools open Hmm
I haven't said I don't want schools open though have I?

Why are you making things up? It's weird.

Emilyontmoor · 14/02/2021 18:56

Ilove Exactly this. Schools are still closed, the economy in trouble, and people struggling with mental health in lockdown because of the governments incompetent handling of the pandemic. So if they repeat mistakes like keeping schools open when case rates were high the result will be exactly the same. This virus is not going to suddenly not take the opportunity of 30 plus pupils squeezed into a room to transmit again on the same scale. It is not even an issue confined to schools, any group of 30 people crammed inside are a vector for transmission. The lockdown sceptics are a mixture of the rabid right wing who don’t care about life, let alone the economy, or children or Cancer sufferers as long as they and their cronies make money, people who believe any nonsense they find on the internet that reinforces their “opinions” and people who are so desperate for this to end they ignore reality. I really want this to end, I want to see my Mum and Dad, stuck at home in this grim weather starved of human contact is really shit, but I am not going to ignore the science and I know exactly where the blame for all this lies, with a government who ignored all its own public health expertise and has fucked up again and again and looks set to do so again. Thank goodness they at least let the NHS run the vaccination programme or that too would have been messed up by the private sector.....

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 14/02/2021 18:57

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DBML · 14/02/2021 18:57

I’m confused Confused
It’s a little bit like being back at school.

Bollss · 14/02/2021 18:58

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1dayatatime · 14/02/2021 18:58

@noblegiraffe

"Oh dear, you are so far off the mark.

Good to see the 'if you don't like it, quit your job' masquerading as concern lot are back out though. Not seen them in a while."

Outside of Covid if somebody posted on MN a concern that they felt their working conditions were unsafe, that this was causing them a high degree of stress / worry and that there was no chance of changing the situation and no legal avenues to challenge those conditions then they would be advised by most responses to leave their jobs.

The reality is that schools in England are highly likely to reopen on the 8th March so your options are:
Take legal action through your union on unsafe working conditions or
Accept begrudgingly what you feel are unsafe working conditions and return to the classroom or
Refuse to accept what you feel are unsafe conditions and leave the profession.

Haranguing hard pressed parents on MN who are simply trying to juggle keeping their jobs in a very precarious economy whilst at the same time trying to maintain an education for their children and protecting as best they can the mental health of their children is not helpful to either them or your own worries.

This is not a faux concern but the grinding reality for parents every day of the school week.

noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 19:00

What I am arguing against is the direct assertion that people claiming to care about the physical and mental well being of children are using faux concern to further their own selfish agendas, or that the same such people have never had an interest in either improving funding for schools, or in the mental and physical well being of children.

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Anti-lockdown campaigners using children to push their agenda
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AfternoonToffee · 14/02/2021 19:02

I am not sure why parents desperately wanting their children to be back be aide they are struggling for whatever reason is a bad thing. It is always said with such distain "they can't be bothered to look after their DC"

DS goes into school twice a week, when the door shuts behind him on the way out I breathe a massive sigh of relief knowing that I have 6+ hours of being able to work without him in the background. Him being at home is shit for him (one does not do school work at home) and even worse for the rest of the family, I don't really care if people judge me for that, because I matter too.

Bollss · 14/02/2021 19:02

What do two newspaper headlined prove?