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Anti-lockdown campaigners using children to push their agenda

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noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 12:08

I can't be the only one disgusted with how certain groups are using faux concern about children to push the earliest dismantling of lockdown restrictions.

They are loudly catastrophising on the front pages of the press about our kids. The lost generation. £40,000 in lost earnings. Articles about schools full of traumatised kids suffering PTSD caused by lockdown.

And the solution they propose is always to re-open schools as early as possible. Even before March 8th. Regardless of covid.

Now, the situation in schools before Christmas was awful. Some areas of the country had less than 50% attendance due to the new variant ripping through secondary schools. Secondary school kids were the most infected subset of the population by far, and are now the second least infected subset of the population behind the 70+ age group after schools were closed, demonstrating that there was a massive problem with transmission in secondary schools. It wasn't good for pupils' mental health or education to be in a situation when they didn't know if they'd be in school or out at the drop of a hat. But before Christmas, there was complete media silence on the impact that this was having on children.

CAMHS has been devastated by cuts. Waiting lists are intolerable and children in dire need of support don't even qualify. Same for social care around vulnerable children.

Yet you won't hear these people clamouring for schools re-opening as soon as possible talking at all about how to improve safety measures in schools to prevent the scenario we had before Christmas happening again. You won't hear them demanding more funding for children's mental health services and for more support for social care services.

And the reason you won't hear that is that THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT.

The reason that they want schools re-opened as quickly as possible is because the message was that schools had to open first.

They can't get what they really want open (everything else) until schools are open, hence the massive focus on schools and how terrible things are for children.

This catastrophising isn't good for parents or kids. It's scaremongering and unhelpful.

I know that there are kids (and parents) really struggling with their mental health and worried about their education. Blaring out messages about how terrible things are and how they will never recover because you want to hype up the message about schools going back is irresponsible and sickening.

We need sensible and calm conversations about how to support children and parents. We need funding for schools and massive investment in support services. We need a long-term program of recovery, not 9 months of a Catch-Up Tsar and quick fixes. We need a measured and sensible approach to schools re-opening that won't see kids in and out and in and out due to lack of mitigation measures causing rampant covid spread (particularly with the new variant).

We need these anti-lockdown campaigners to shut up and stop dominating the narrative.

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Monkeytennis97 · 14/02/2021 15:22

[quote Igglepigglepeppaandgeorge]@Monkeytennis97 I don't agree with what they are doing to parents of children in care homes. I signed a petition asking them to allow visits. I hope you see your son soon.[/quote]
Thank you. It is what it is though. Everyone has to make sacrifices. No one is enjoying lockdown and if they are, well, good luck to them.

gallbladderpain · 14/02/2021 15:23

@Igglepigglepeppaandgeorge

I dont want my kids washing their hands unless they have just been to the toilet or they are about to eat. Hand sanitizer every hour to protect against an airborne disease is ridiculous.
Oh great so even in normal times then you don't get their kids to do regular hand washing. You are exactly the type of parent I worry about my children being exposed to in a classroom. You know good hand hygiene would decrease a lot of spread of all manner of things !
Igglepigglepeppaandgeorge · 14/02/2021 15:24

@gallbladderpain thank you for your explanation. I'm in awe of what you have done for your son. No wonder you struggle to see the harm of lockdown, you are assuming other parents are as capable as you lol. Your son sounds truly blessed to have you as a mum. I'm sure you are exhausted and I hope you manage to get some downtime at some point. I'm sorry you didn't change my opinion on school openings. Look after yourself xx

FrippEnos · 14/02/2021 15:26

Nuitsdesetoiles
The overriding narrative from the teachers has been very me me me

It hasn't and its worrying that you lack the comprehension skills to see it.

The Teachers on here have been for opening schools in a sustainable way. A way that would be much less detrimental to children's health.

Coyoacan · 14/02/2021 15:27

to argue for the earliest re-opening of schools possible, because schools have to open before anything else can open

I don't live in the UK, I live in Mexico and, oddly enough, here in Mexico, it is the other way round, everything else has to open before schools can open. I'm not claiming to know which is the better approach, mind you. The other thing is that teachers are high priority for vaccination.

HesterShaw1 · 14/02/2021 15:27

It seems to me that it's a bit disingenuous to accuse people only caring about mental health of children and the underinvestment in schools in the last year. I used to teach (and incidentally it was so full on that I barely had time to scratch my arse let alone spend my days creating posts on MN). I cared about those things then, and I still care about them. I had a class of 34 Y6 children in a classroom better suited to 25 Y4s. It was a squash.

You are saying that teachers should not go back to proper classes until your list of requests has been met, and this includes more investment in buildings to make them fit your definition of safety. This is as well as the continuing successful rollout of the vaccination programme and therefore the reduction of the scale of infections and hospitalisations? I imagine very few people don't want better designed buildings, more space, better ventilation. I should think everyone would be all for these things.

How long will this take to achieve, and what happens to children and their wellbeing in the meantime?

Igglepigglepeppaandgeorge · 14/02/2021 15:27

@gallbladderpain I have always believed you need a bit of dirt and the odd illness to keep your immune system working.

EarlGreywithLemon · 14/02/2021 15:32

I haven’t read the full thread but I couldn’t agree more noble. Our daughter is nursery age, but even then December was so stressful with a revolving door of Covid tests, isolation, and cases left right and centre. Two sets of friends caught it from their children from nursery. We narrowly missed it because I had a few days to take off before Christmas so DD was at home when a cluster of cases broke out. We’ve kept her at home after Christmas. We both WFH full time, but it’s been so much better than the previous Covid merry go round.
I don’t understand why people still insist a. that schools are safe; b. that children don’t spread it, when both are so glaringly untrue. How can overcrowded, poorly ventilated indoor spaces possibly be kept COVID free? Especially when they are populated by children, who cannot and do not keep a distance from each other?

HesterShaw1 · 14/02/2021 15:34

Are some of you people not following current events? The vaccine rollout for example?

Ohnomoreno · 14/02/2021 15:36

At least they're not hypocrites who claim to care about the greater good, and then bitch about anyone who is happy to let their kids be part of the vaccine trials that will help sick kids...

EarlGreywithLemon · 14/02/2021 15:36

And while I’m at it: it really gets my goat when people quote stats for school transmission from last summer, when there were far fewer children attending, from fewer year groups, and much more time was spent outdoors. How is that remotely illustrative of conditions come September? And that’s before we even throw a more contagious variant into the mix!

Monkeytennis97 · 14/02/2021 15:38

@EarlGreywithLemon

I haven’t read the full thread but I couldn’t agree more noble. Our daughter is nursery age, but even then December was so stressful with a revolving door of Covid tests, isolation, and cases left right and centre. Two sets of friends caught it from their children from nursery. We narrowly missed it because I had a few days to take off before Christmas so DD was at home when a cluster of cases broke out. We’ve kept her at home after Christmas. We both WFH full time, but it’s been so much better than the previous Covid merry go round. I don’t understand why people still insist a. that schools are safe; b. that children don’t spread it, when both are so glaringly untrue. How can overcrowded, poorly ventilated indoor spaces possibly be kept COVID free? Especially when they are populated by children, who cannot and do not keep a distance from each other?
@HesterShaw1 because of this. The vaccine rollout is great but won't stop community transmission in schools for the parental and teacher age groups and god knows what a fast moving virus amongst a purely younger age group will then change to. The more virus in society the more cause for mutations. Mutations of corona viruses don't always become more benign.
EarlGreywithLemon · 14/02/2021 15:38

@HesterShaw1

Are some of you people not following current events? The vaccine rollout for example?
Since the majority of patients filling up the ICUs are not from priority groups 1-4, that will not have an impact by 8 March.
EarlGreywithLemon · 14/02/2021 15:39

The more virus in society the more cause for mutations. Mutations of corona viruses don't always become more benign.
^This

FrippEnos · 14/02/2021 15:42

HesterShaw1
It seems to me that it's a bit disingenuous to accuse people only caring about mental health of children and the underinvestment in schools in the last year.

So where were all these people that cared so much?

I used to teach (and incidentally it was so full on that I barely had time to scratch my arse let alone spend my days creating posts on MN).

Wow, give yourself the martyr of the year award.

Bollss · 14/02/2021 15:42

I said in my OP that there are parents and children genuinely struggling. They need proper support, and funding for support agencies, not hyped-up headlines about how devastating thing are for them and how they will never recover

Both of those things will be true for some children. Are you advocating covering that up?

Vargas · 14/02/2021 15:42

Haven't RTFT but surely if covid was 'ripping through secondary schools' in December then loads of the kids are immune now? My ds and all his friends had it in December; we have regularly joked that his whole year group could have gone back safely in January as he doesn't know a single child in his year who hasn't had it.

Ahmnotacat · 14/02/2021 15:45

@Vargas

Haven't RTFT but surely if covid was 'ripping through secondary schools' in December then loads of the kids are immune now? My ds and all his friends had it in December; we have regularly joked that his whole year group could have gone back safely in January as he doesn't know a single child in his year who hasn't had it.
You can get it more than once. How do you not know this?
Bollss · 14/02/2021 15:45

You can get it more than once. How do you not know this?

It's extremely rare though isn't it.

Tal45 · 14/02/2021 15:47

I read this morning on the BBC that having the kids back in school raised the R number by between 0.3 and 0.6 last time and as the R number is only just below one currently I can't see them letting all the kids back till it gets quite a bit lower.

Ahmnotacat · 14/02/2021 15:47

@TrustTheGeneGenie

You can get it more than once. How do you not know this?

It's extremely rare though isn't it.

Not necessarily, we just don't have much data on it yet. Anec-data seems to suggest it's not rare at all...

And then of course there's the mutations.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 14/02/2021 15:48

@TrustTheGeneGenie

I said in my OP that there are parents and children genuinely struggling. They need proper support, and funding for support agencies, not hyped-up headlines about how devastating thing are for them and how they will never recover

Both of those things will be true for some children. Are you advocating covering that up?

^this
Devlesko · 14/02/2021 15:48

@Vargas

Haven't RTFT but surely if covid was 'ripping through secondary schools' in December then loads of the kids are immune now? My ds and all his friends had it in December; we have regularly joked that his whole year group could have gone back safely in January as he doesn't know a single child in his year who hasn't had it.
Erm, my dd has had it twice, what makes you think they can't? Plus, the vaccine doesn't stop transmission, just the propaganda that you'll not get it as bad Hmm I think parents should have a choice, if they want to gamble long covid for their kids they can send them back. If they don't then they can stay at home.
Bollss · 14/02/2021 15:49

Not necessarily, we just don't have much data on it yet. Anec-data seems to suggest it's not rare at all...

Ah yes. Ever reliable anec data from people certain they had in in March etc. Sure.

And then of course there's the mutations.

Yes, and there's tweakable vaccines.

What do you suggest? Because mutations will always be a possibility. So shall we never 're open just in case?

bumbleymummy · 14/02/2021 15:50

@noblegiraffe

Schools could stay open by only making people stay at home if they are coughing.

But then covid would run through schools and kids would bring it home to their families like before Christmas?

The infection rates in secondary school kids were out of control.

Except a lot of them are immune now and the vulnerable people at home have been vaccinated.