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Anti-lockdown campaigners using children to push their agenda

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noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 12:08

I can't be the only one disgusted with how certain groups are using faux concern about children to push the earliest dismantling of lockdown restrictions.

They are loudly catastrophising on the front pages of the press about our kids. The lost generation. £40,000 in lost earnings. Articles about schools full of traumatised kids suffering PTSD caused by lockdown.

And the solution they propose is always to re-open schools as early as possible. Even before March 8th. Regardless of covid.

Now, the situation in schools before Christmas was awful. Some areas of the country had less than 50% attendance due to the new variant ripping through secondary schools. Secondary school kids were the most infected subset of the population by far, and are now the second least infected subset of the population behind the 70+ age group after schools were closed, demonstrating that there was a massive problem with transmission in secondary schools. It wasn't good for pupils' mental health or education to be in a situation when they didn't know if they'd be in school or out at the drop of a hat. But before Christmas, there was complete media silence on the impact that this was having on children.

CAMHS has been devastated by cuts. Waiting lists are intolerable and children in dire need of support don't even qualify. Same for social care around vulnerable children.

Yet you won't hear these people clamouring for schools re-opening as soon as possible talking at all about how to improve safety measures in schools to prevent the scenario we had before Christmas happening again. You won't hear them demanding more funding for children's mental health services and for more support for social care services.

And the reason you won't hear that is that THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT.

The reason that they want schools re-opened as quickly as possible is because the message was that schools had to open first.

They can't get what they really want open (everything else) until schools are open, hence the massive focus on schools and how terrible things are for children.

This catastrophising isn't good for parents or kids. It's scaremongering and unhelpful.

I know that there are kids (and parents) really struggling with their mental health and worried about their education. Blaring out messages about how terrible things are and how they will never recover because you want to hype up the message about schools going back is irresponsible and sickening.

We need sensible and calm conversations about how to support children and parents. We need funding for schools and massive investment in support services. We need a long-term program of recovery, not 9 months of a Catch-Up Tsar and quick fixes. We need a measured and sensible approach to schools re-opening that won't see kids in and out and in and out due to lack of mitigation measures causing rampant covid spread (particularly with the new variant).

We need these anti-lockdown campaigners to shut up and stop dominating the narrative.

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mootymoo · 14/02/2021 15:05

The problem is that young people have missed a year of education and nobody is planning on offering to make it up, I have no issue of them repeating the year, but if that's not happening they need to go back ASAP

ineedaholidaynow · 14/02/2021 15:06

@Igglepigglepeppaandgeorge I have copied this statistic from another thread:

88% of deaths are of people in the top 4 vaccination groups.

Only 55% of hospitalisations.

And less than 50% of ITU admissions (because really frail and elderly people aren't considered suitable to ventilate).

So it isn't really a good idea to infect vast number of people including parents, no matter how much they don't mind if they get COVID

motherrunner · 14/02/2021 15:07

I am a teacher of 20 + years. I am a parent of a very bright child, a parent of a child who is waiting for their autism diagnosis.

Do you know what I want?

For us to be healthy. I want to see my mum who I haven’t seen since Feb 2020 as her care home locked down and never reopened. I can’t even speak to her (due to her condition - if you have followed my other posts you’ll know why). I want my children to see their grandma. I want my son back at football, meant my daughter back at Brownies. These can be managed with SD. Schools can’t.

mootymoo · 14/02/2021 15:07

@noblegiraffe one of my DD's had to drop out because she lost her support worker. Mental health is real and can't be do remotely

motherrunner · 14/02/2021 15:07

*want not meant

Igglepigglepeppaandgeorge · 14/02/2021 15:10

Lots of parents will be immune by now. You dont always catch it from your kids, just most of the time. Most parents are young enough not to need hospital treatment.

Snowsnowglorioussnow · 14/02/2021 15:11

Lock down lovers....

Arf... Yes I'm absolutely adoring the idea that instead of being in Venice over Easter I'll be stuck at home!
Glorious! Why did I ever think of going away and showing dc Venice when we can stay in our one front room.. It's far far more fun...

What I love is travel and going out which is what I'd like to do this year.

ineedaholidaynow · 14/02/2021 15:13

@Igglepigglepeppaandgeorge I am also intrigued by your comment that you don't want children to wash their hands when they are not dirty. What is your definition of dirty? When do you want them to wash their hands? I am happy that hand hygiene has improved, hopefully stop a number of gastric infections going round schools.

noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 15:14

but you have an agenda too. You are always here posting the same stuff.

I’m honest about mine though. I want safer schools so I post about safer schools. I want more funding for schools, so I post about schools being underfunded.

I don’t, for example, want pubs, shops and restaurants open so write hysterical stories about how a generation of school kids are ‘lost’ and will never recover from the trauma of lockdown so we need schools open straight after half term.

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Monkeytennis97 · 14/02/2021 15:14

@mootymoo

The problem is that young people have missed a year of education and nobody is planning on offering to make it up, I have no issue of them repeating the year, but if that's not happening they need to go back ASAP
Well I was in school teaching from September to December and have taught all my lessons online since January so this 'year off' rhetoric is bullshit (sigh... again).
Igglepigglepeppaandgeorge · 14/02/2021 15:15

I dont want my kids washing their hands unless they have just been to the toilet or they are about to eat. Hand sanitizer every hour to protect against an airborne disease is ridiculous.

Emilyontmoor · 14/02/2021 15:15
  • I think it's also worth saying that our children's mental health has something to gain from teaching about being community minded Caring for others Being able to be resilient Sacrificing for the greater good Being mindful of others' needs rather than just their own immediate needs Learning how to survive and manage in hard circumstances Being in touch with reality around them Understanding about waiting and loss Realising they are not the centre of the universe but that we care for them and will look after them as well as look after all the of the community Learning that pandemics happen and that they are bloody hard*

You are so right. My DDs lived through the SARS pandemic in Hong Kong. Although that ultimately proved less infectious than flu they grew up under no illusions that it hadn’t been the big one, but one day there would be one.. And the early days were terrifying with whole tower blocks being infected (it turned out by their sewage system) so that it wasn’t clear it was hard to catch. One of them also managed to be was a close contact of a swine flu case and had to take Tamiflu.

They actually now look back on that experience as formative in a positive not negative way. They point to lots of lessons learned about human behaviour and coping with adversity including my home schooling Grin This time they simply switched back into hand washing, distancing, mask wearing etc. One neighbour commented on seeing my daughter open the train door with her elbow in March. One of them is a volunteer in a Cancer Research U.K. testing initiative and is currently involved in the vaccine roll out as well, glad to be using her skills to make a difference to a situation that she fully expected.

I don’t in any way belittle the adverse effects on mental health of closed schools but it doesn’t have to be a negative experience in the longer term.

Igglepigglepeppaandgeorge · 14/02/2021 15:16

@ineedaholidaynow I am intrigued by your lack of concern for antibiotic resistance, OCD and sore hands.

chocolateisavegetable · 14/02/2021 15:16

I dont care how high they make the R rate

Oh good grief

Monkeytennis97 · 14/02/2021 15:17

Oh yeah lockdown lover here tooHmm

My beautiful disabled boy hasn't seen us for month upon month in his care home, not understanding why mum and dad aren't visiting as usual. I'm loving it.Angry It's been hell.

Monkeytennis97 · 14/02/2021 15:17

@chocolateisavegetable

I dont care how high they make the R rate

Oh good grief

Exactly. Except I said 'oh ffs'
motherrunner · 14/02/2021 15:17

@Emilyontmoor

* I think it's also worth saying that our children's mental health has something to gain from teaching about being community minded Caring for others Being able to be resilient Sacrificing for the greater good Being mindful of others' needs rather than just their own immediate needs Learning how to survive and manage in hard circumstances Being in touch with reality around them Understanding about waiting and loss Realising they are not the centre of the universe but that we care for them and will look after them as well as look after all the of the community Learning that pandemics happen and that they are bloody hard*

You are so right. My DDs lived through the SARS pandemic in Hong Kong. Although that ultimately proved less infectious than flu they grew up under no illusions that it hadn’t been the big one, but one day there would be one.. And the early days were terrifying with whole tower blocks being infected (it turned out by their sewage system) so that it wasn’t clear it was hard to catch. One of them also managed to be was a close contact of a swine flu case and had to take Tamiflu.

They actually now look back on that experience as formative in a positive not negative way. They point to lots of lessons learned about human behaviour and coping with adversity including my home schooling Grin This time they simply switched back into hand washing, distancing, mask wearing etc. One neighbour commented on seeing my daughter open the train door with her elbow in March. One of them is a volunteer in a Cancer Research U.K. testing initiative and is currently involved in the vaccine roll out as well, glad to be using her skills to make a difference to a situation that she fully expected.

I don’t in any way belittle the adverse effects on mental health of closed schools but it doesn’t have to be a negative experience in the longer term.

This restores my faith in humanity.
gallbladderpain · 14/02/2021 15:18

@Igglepigglepeppaandgeorge

I think schools are so important I dont care how high they make the R rate, I just want them open.

Surely a child who is vulnerable to covid would also be vulnerable to any fever/respiratory illness? And it's always been encouraged to send your kids in with them until March 2020.

Are you in the inner city @gallbladderpain? I'm keeping everything crossed that your child has antibodies already xxx

No we aren't in a city and are certain our child does not have antibodies, we were advised at the end of february to remove our child from school and since then they have not met anyone outside of our household apart from medical professionals (and that has been few and far between with strict measures in place) and the rest of us as a family have been shielding to avoid passing anything on.

They are vaccinated against other serious illnesses and yes they do end up in hospital a lot especially over seasonal illness but the difference is that all these things they end up in hospital are known, they medical professionals know the effects on the body and they have treatments. There is still a lot unknown about covid and they aren't vaccinating children as of yet.

isitfridayyet1 · 14/02/2021 15:18

Agree 100% the levels of the virus need to be at reasonably low level before schools can re open. The government can't just pick a date out of the air unless the data and evidence points to that date being suitable for re-opening!

Zandathepanda · 14/02/2021 15:19

Noblegiraffe thank you for another good post. Agree with you.
Percentages are a bit misleading. When you’re old you’re more likely to die. Younger people are more likely to have long-term conditions if they have a bad reaction to a virus.

Igglepigglepeppaandgeorge · 14/02/2021 15:19

@Monkeytennis97 I don't agree with what they are doing to parents of children in care homes. I signed a petition asking them to allow visits. I hope you see your son soon.

Tangledtresses · 14/02/2021 15:19

@hamstersarse

What I hate is the faux concern about ‘saving lives’ when it’s a completely selfish stance because it’s simply their own life they are talking about and are expecting everyone else to give up everything because of their own anxiety.

I don’t have faux concern about children, I have actual concern about children. My opinion is anyone who isn’t is concerned about children, particularly those who’s chances were already precarious, is a selfish twat

Yes to this!!!!👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
SmudgeButt · 14/02/2021 15:20

I would like vaccinations to progress further before schools reopen. not that most children will dreadfully ill but for a concern of how they might spread the virus to those more vulnerable.

It's easy to think that schools opening might mean adults can more easily WFH or return to a more normal office environment but I suspect quite a number of parents will get ill due to their children mixing in larger groups. After all otherwise health 30 year olds are so far down the vaccine priorities list that a number of that age group are very likely to get ill.

stilllovingmysleep · 14/02/2021 15:21

@Emilyontmoor thanks for writing this. An experience that also needs to be heard.

What are we going to tell our DC in 20 years' time?

Oh yes you know we had a global pandemic and there was this thing called exponential growth and there were months where people were dying in their thousands (on top of all other diseases). But you know, I cared about you not missing out on your education for those months as that was more important.

Come on.

stilllovingmysleep · 14/02/2021 15:21

[quote Igglepigglepeppaandgeorge]@ineedaholidaynow I am intrigued by your lack of concern for antibiotic resistance, OCD and sore hands.[/quote]
@Igglepigglepeppaandgeorge yes sore hands is surely at the top of our list of concerns at the moment Hmm