We cannot cancel life, to preserve every life

[Slytherin]

I actually find myself agreeing with a Tory for once...we’ve given up so much and the goalposts keep moving, yes it’s an unpredictable situation, but it’s also unsustainable long term. The idea that this summer will be possibly worse than last summer makes zero sense, when we have a vaccine roll out that far exceeds any other nation (except Israel) currently.
First it was let’s get the elderly and vulnerable vaccinated, then it was let’s get the over 50s vaccinated, now we’ve got members of SAGE suggesting restrictions have to continue until everyone, including children are vaccinated and beyond, because of the possibility of new variants. Professor John Edmunds said some would have to stay “forever” last night on Peston.

We must at some point live with an element of risk. I’m in no way suggesting we lift lockdown yet, but suggesting that things won’t have much improved by the summer, is, in my opinion encroaching into dangerous territory.

The government were over promising before, now they’re under promising. There’s got to be a middle ground, people’s mental health cannot sustain this level of pessimism and not having a single thing to look forward to. Everything gets dangled like a carrot, then taken away at the last minute. It’s beyond cruel.

Then it’s the mixed messages, Matt Hancock telling us he’s going on a summer holiday to Cornwall and he’s all booked up and Grant Shapps then telling nobody to even consider booking a holiday abroad or domestically this summer.

Yes, I support restrictions to save lives and support the NHS, but I don’t support the way the government are handling this once again. And I don’t support these restrictions indefinitely, especially when the majority of the at risk groups have been vaccinated.

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Maybe if we had been stricter with the areas with huge outbreaks we wouldn’t be in this situation now. If we had of closed our boarder.

My children enjoyed last year. No school in nice weather going for walks etc it was fun and novel like look how naughty no school hehe

Now it’s cold and wet and they don’t get to see friends they don’t get to go to school because other people are more deserving than they are. Yeah I’m angry and I’m at tipping point.

@Thomasina2021

I mean why vaccinate people in care homes as a priority ? These are people at the end of their lives , this gov has lost the plot

Also said this. I cannot fathom vaccinating people in their 90s ahead of younger vulnerable people and frontline workers.

[quote Slytherin]I actually find myself agreeing with a Tory for once...we’ve given up so much and the goalposts keep moving, yes it’s an unpredictable situation, but it’s also unsustainable long term. The idea that this summer will be possibly worse than last summer makes zero sense, when we have a vaccine roll out that far exceeds any other nation (except Israel) currently.
First it was let’s get the elderly and vulnerable vaccinated, then it was let’s get the over 50s vaccinated, now we’ve got members of SAGE suggesting restrictions have to continue until everyone, including children are vaccinated and beyond, because of the possibility of new variants. Professor John Edmunds said some would have to stay “forever” last night on Peston.

We must at some point live with an element of risk. I’m in no way suggesting we lift lockdown yet, but suggesting that things won’t have much improved by the summer, is, in my opinion encroaching into dangerous territory.

The government were over promising before, now they’re under promising. There’s got to be a middle ground, people’s mental health cannot sustain this level of pessimism and not having a single thing to look forward to. Everything gets dangled like a carrot, then taken away at the last minute. It’s beyond cruel.

Then it’s the mixed messages, Matt Hancock telling us he’s going on a summer holiday to Cornwall and he’s all booked up and Grant Shapps then telling nobody to even consider booking a holiday abroad or domestically this summer.

Yes, I support restrictions to save lives and support the NHS, but I don’t support the way the government are handling this once again. And I don’t support these restrictions indefinitely, especially when the majority of the at risk groups have been vaccinated.

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The answer is for you to ask god for exact details of the future so that the government can tell everyone exactly instead of having to make vague predictions.

Meanwhile the situation is changing because the situation is changing. There are new variants in case you hadn't heard.

I’m amazed anyone is believing the shit the government are coming out with.

@HexWitch

And for anyone saying what about when people contract it for a second time etc, you do realise T cell immunity is thing yeah?

What is T cell immunity please? Explain like I am a thicko because it is true

@ktp100

If we can't as a country go without pubs, Starbucks and holidays for a year or so to save thousands of elderly and vulnerable people then we are a country of cunts.

Which is becoming more and more evident by the day.

Wtaf! I couldn’t give a shit about coffee, pubs or holidays. I want my children to be able to go out and play with their friends, and have normal social interaction, rather than being stuck in the house. I want to be able to go and see people rather than being stuck on my own with no one to talk to for 48 hours when they are with their dad. I’d like the chance to meet someone, and have a normal life.

[quote wallyrag]@ktp100 I am so glad I saw your post!! Was scrolling through the self absorbed crap and wondering how could so many be so heartless and then, thankfully there was your post.
I'd never put a price on a human life, but many here seem to think it's easily traded for more of a social life.
I'm one of the tedious covid long haulers. I'm also a person who thinks that the suffering of anyone is something best avoided. Yes I miss going out. But I'd never think that the heartbreak of others is something that should happen so I can go out.
I have colleagues in the NHS who are so worn down, and traumatised. But there's a few of you on here who miss shops and the pub, how dreadful!! You've suffered so much!
Just because it's not you, your family and friends, it doesn't make life any less. [/quote]
You know someone on the frontline, I know people who have had depression due to lockdown, burst out crying, losing jobs, struggling to their Bill's, worrying for the children's education and future. This is more about going to the pub.

In 2018, they're was only 1 bed available in the winter crisis according to the MSM. No one batted an eye lid did they. If everyone shut off their life every winter, banned alcohol, cigarettes and fatty foods...people on the frontline NHS will be a lot less overwhelmed wouldn't they.

I agree, OP.

The worst part of this pandemic is that it's given those with hypochondria the loudest voices.

My 92 year old incredibly unwell grandparent (now looks like they have cancer on top of all their other debilitating health conditions) was vaccinated the other day.

I honestly cannot fathom vaccinating them ahead of my 64 year old parent, who was with them at the time. Everything feels so completely upside down with no logic whatsoever

The amount of missing people posts I see on fb pages is heartbreaking, often with stories of the missing persons mh declining because of lockdown. It's more often young people, many teens or twenties. My small town has seen many deaths of women at the hands of abusive partners in the last year and even more women fleeing abuse with nowhere to turn. And then there's the huge queues for food banks, people struggling to provide basic necessities.

The toll restrictions are taking is almost negating the benefits, yes the vulnerable need to be protected but why at the cost of these other lives and futures? Once the elderly and CEV are vaccinated I don't see why restrictions can't start to be lifted, we were told lockdowns were to protect the NHS and vaccines were the answer. Of course viruses mutate, the vaccine can be adapted fairly quickly for that but the damage already done can't be fixed that easily so why are we expected to put up and shut up.

We can do without a holiday or trips to the pub. We can't do without human contact and an income. Children and teenagers can't do without education. We need healthcare to reopen for more than life and death essentials. We need a life that is worth living.

@Pootle40 there was a story on our local news of a 104 year old woman who has just recovered from Covid receiving her vaccination in her care home

The world has gone mad

It's about every service being overwhelmed!
Not enough people in the benefits agency to process benefits payments because they are off sick, isolating, suffering from long Covid, mourning the death of a relative!
Not enough people at HMRC to collect taxes ditto
Delivery drivers to stock the supermarkets ditto

Sewage treatment ditto
National grid ditto

Whose fault is it that our NHS cannot cope?

It is the Governments responsibility, the NHS, so I am going to hazard a guess at it being the Governments fault.

LastTrainEast Meanwhile the situation is changing because the situation is changing. There are new variants in case you hadn't heard.

We sure have. Like we've heard about new variants with every virus that's ever existed. That's why we have scientists who make booster jabs and update vaccines, or haven't you heard?

@addicted2spaniels

I agree, OP.

The worst part of this pandemic is that it's given those with hypochondria the loudest voices.

Omg Totally

And those who are happy to stay at home eating and watching TV

I agree and one of my parents died from Covid at the age of 84.

I completely disagree.

Many of my colleagues have lost family members and their friends have lost parents. These people with 'underlying conditions' are pretty normal, working 50-somethings who have eczema, slightly raised blood pressure, pre-diabetes - ordinarily they would be economically productive for 15+ more years and much loved family members who provide childcare for grandchildren for years to come.

I think it seems theoretical and it's easy to 'other' people with 'underlying conditions' until it's your family member.

I'd much rather sacrifice more now to get things more under control so that Track & Trace can actually stay on top of cases in future. I don't want to have to live with worry for years about seeing and hugging my mum. I want to just take it seriously for a little longer now in order to get that better future.

Also, if you look up the statistics about long Covid, it's pretty grim. I have previously healthy, fit, active friends in their 30s who are badly affected by it almost a year after contracting Covid.

Yes I agree. I’m done with it all now. We’ve done a year, if what we have isn’t working now then we need to just live with it. The vulnerable can continue to isolate if they wish, but I’m not going to anymore.

I’m also sick of hearing about long covid. It’s not a new thing, post viral syndrome has been around forever. It’s not a good enough reason to stay locked down. Again, those worried about it can continue to isolate if they wish.

'mean why vaccinate people in care homes as a priority ? These are people at the end of their lives , this gov has lost the plot'

Perhaps once people get older and live in a carehome they shouldn't receive hospital treatment if they need it, is that what you think? The problem is older people tend to get severe symptoms you see, so you vaccinate those most likely to need medical care and unsurprisingly hospital admissions reduce, which is the whole point.

Not enough people in the benefits agency to process benefits payments because they are off sick, isolating, suffering from long Covid, mourning the death of a relative!
Not enough people at HMRC to collect taxes ditto

Surely they can wfh though? or employ more people to do it, which would be cheaper than the economic ruin we are racking up daily

Thank you @frumpety for answering.

It was actually a rhetorical question. But thank you 😊

@unim

I completely disagree.

Many of my colleagues have lost family members and their friends have lost parents. These people with 'underlying conditions' are pretty normal, working 50-somethings who have eczema, slightly raised blood pressure, pre-diabetes - ordinarily they would be economically productive for 15+ more years and much loved family members who provide childcare for grandchildren for years to come.

I think it seems theoretical and it's easy to 'other' people with 'underlying conditions' until it's your family member.

I'd much rather sacrifice more now to get things more under control so that Track & Trace can actually stay on top of cases in future. I don't want to have to live with worry for years about seeing and hugging my mum. I want to just take it seriously for a little longer now in order to get that better future.

Also, if you look up the statistics about long Covid, it's pretty grim. I have previously healthy, fit, active friends in their 30s who are badly affected by it almost a year after contracting Covid.

These people with conditions caused by their lifestyles are dictating how the test of us live (exist )

I could have written this

@Katie517

I agree and have felt like this since summer. This is not living at the moment it’s existing and the damage is monumental both financially and mentally. It just isn’t fair to keep it going any longer and people seem to forget this virus has a 99%+ survival rate for most people. We can’t keep healthy people locked away, ruin futures of our young people and children to protect the vulnerable anymore.

It just isn’t fair to keep it going any longer and people seem to forget this virus has a 99%+ Sorry, but this is complete nonsense. So far, 1 person out of every 575 in the UK has died of COVID, using the government's '28 day' rule (which underestimates deaths due to COVID infection). That's one person in every 575 people, NOT of the people who caught it, but of the whole population. Statistics are great when nobody questions them. Someone tried to tell me that you are more likely to get killed by a bus than die of COVID. Again - really? 100,000 people die of bus accidents in the UK every 10months? No - covid is deadly. I get that restrictions are annoying. I understand the frustration.

I'm interested in what 'futures' you are worried about here, too. If the virus is allowed to spread because we can't stay home, the economy will tank further, more people will die, kids will lose loved ones, we'll be completely fucked as a country - the glorious future we want for our families relies on us getting the disease under control first.

I agree. I'm close to being done with sticking to the rules. We've complied since the start (for no benefit to us or our DC). I'm heading towards the tipping point of not caring anymore. A lot depends on what happens with schools reopening I think...