We cannot cancel life, to preserve every life

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I actually find myself agreeing with a Tory for once...we’ve given up so much and the goalposts keep moving, yes it’s an unpredictable situation, but it’s also unsustainable long term. The idea that this summer will be possibly worse than last summer makes zero sense, when we have a vaccine roll out that far exceeds any other nation (except Israel) currently.
First it was let’s get the elderly and vulnerable vaccinated, then it was let’s get the over 50s vaccinated, now we’ve got members of SAGE suggesting restrictions have to continue until everyone, including children are vaccinated and beyond, because of the possibility of new variants. Professor John Edmunds said some would have to stay “forever” last night on Peston.

We must at some point live with an element of risk. I’m in no way suggesting we lift lockdown yet, but suggesting that things won’t have much improved by the summer, is, in my opinion encroaching into dangerous territory.

The government were over promising before, now they’re under promising. There’s got to be a middle ground, people’s mental health cannot sustain this level of pessimism and not having a single thing to look forward to. Everything gets dangled like a carrot, then taken away at the last minute. It’s beyond cruel.

Then it’s the mixed messages, Matt Hancock telling us he’s going on a summer holiday to Cornwall and he’s all booked up and Grant Shapps then telling nobody to even consider booking a holiday abroad or domestically this summer.

Yes, I support restrictions to save lives and support the NHS, but I don’t support the way the government are handling this once again. And I don’t support these restrictions indefinitely, especially when the majority of the at risk groups have been vaccinated.

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@Isolatedizzy

It isn't just about people dying though! If we open everything up lots of people will get sick all at once and the infrastructure of the country will be in danger of collapsing!

We need to keep supermarket shelves stocked, public services running and the lights on - never mind the NHS!

If workplaces have people off sick, people isolating, people on compassionate leave because they have lost a family member then they will struggle to provide the services they do! This is happening at some Royal Mail places and we're in lockdown! Schools were closing before Christmas because too many teachers were off sick!
Could you imagine if the National grid went down? That's when the Civil unrest would start - not because people are fed up being at home watching Netflix!
Do you really think this Govt care about old and vulnerable people dying? They do not, they have let it happen over the last 10 years due to austerity without blinking an eye!
This is about the infrastructure of the Country!
Yes lockdown is awful and it's killing people but the alternative is worse - that's the only reason this is continuing!

But by May all of the over 50s in the country will have been vaccinated along with the CEV. If this does not allow us to "open up everything' nothing will, what will it have all been for?

@HexWitch

People don't seem to be understanding that we all take risks literally every time we walk out of the front door or get in a car or on a bus or fly abroad or fall pregnant or send our kids to school. Everything comes with a risk but we don't stop living because of it!!

I know, it's like death never existed before covid.

Also a lot of people seem to think the government are responsible for making sure nobody ever dies. If they government really cared about that they would ban smoking, drinking, driving, we would all live in single storey houses without electricity, we would have a government controlled diet and exercise program.
As long as the NHS can cope, the government don't care if individuals die.

What are we doing to our young people !?

They are rotting away indoors to save people who have lived their lives and are an average rot 85 fkn years old

It’s just criminal and history will judge this government badly

Saying that everyone isn't angry, doesn't mean that people aren't pissed off or fed up or just wishing for a light at the end of the tunnel, I think most of the population fits into one of those criteria.

I don’t care about long covid. I have actually suffered post viral fatigue so I do know how bad it can be.

But there are worse things

By the way, a family member just recovered from long covid after seeing a nutritionist if anyone is struggling.

Agree with @Rose87777 - they screwed up so catastrophically with high expectation low delivery that they've been forced to swing wildly in the opposite direction

We really seem to have hit a tipping point. From complying for a year, virtually everyone I know is utterly sick to death of living this half life now.

I walked into the supermarket today and was greeted by such a cheerful man it actually made me well up. It took me by surprise but I think brought home how much basic human interaction has been missing in the last year.

I mean why vaccinate people in care homes as a priority ? These are people at the end of their lives , this gov has lost the plot

@frumpety

Why is everyone so very angry now? I assume the psychological committee that feeds in to SAGE knows exactly why this is happening at this stage precisely but I don't

I don't think everyone is angry now, but I do think that it helps certain causes to make people believe that they are.

Very astute observation there @frumpety

It’s almost like they have an agenda with this anti lockdown faux outrage bandwagon

Totally agree, the whole thing is ridiculous now.

I agree OP. I think they should let the under 50s out now, since they're not going to be getting a vaccine any time soon and they are not considered high risk. It's really not fair on young people to force them to carry on like this

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow

I don’t care about long covid. I have actually suffered post viral fatigue so I do know how bad it can be.

But there are worse things

By the way, a family member just recovered from long covid after seeing a nutritionist if anyone is struggling.

Fkn long Covid !what about cancer ? What about that mother who smothered her disabled son because she couldn’t cope with lockdown

Well no @OnlyFoolsnMothers as then we'd have a broken healthcare system where you couldn't get a broken leg operated on or find a midwife to birth your baby. I know what you're getting at, but the more terrifying scenario is that if the vaccine doesn't work we are genuinely buggered for a few years yet.
However, I think this unlikely.

But this is about our health care system' s ability to cope

Whose fault is it that our NHS cannot cope?

@Thewiseoneincognito

If people can not accept living like this then perhaps it will be a case of let them learn the hard way. In all honesty I think this is the route we need to go down, we need to let it overwhelm the NHS to prove the gravity of our situation.

Those who are fed up of the pandemic need to understand how their opinion in this is irrelevant when it comes to a virus as malevolent as covid. Eventually the world will come to realise it’s a never ending battle.

I would honestly sign a wager saying "do not treat me in the event of Covid". And many others who are sick to the back of teeth of lockdowns would sign them.

I'd rather take my chances than live like this.
I've obeyed rules upto now, done my bit NHS and the vulnerable but come May when the over 50s are vaccinated, fuck it.

@Isolatedizzy

It isn't just about people dying though! If we open everything up lots of people will get sick all at once and the infrastructure of the country will be in danger of collapsing!

We need to keep supermarket shelves stocked, public services running and the lights on - never mind the NHS!

If workplaces have people off sick, people isolating, people on compassionate leave because they have lost a family member then they will struggle to provide the services they do! This is happening at some Royal Mail places and we're in lockdown! Schools were closing before Christmas because too many teachers were off sick!
Could you imagine if the National grid went down? That's when the Civil unrest would start - not because people are fed up being at home watching Netflix!
Do you really think this Govt care about old and vulnerable people dying? They do not, they have let it happen over the last 10 years due to austerity without blinking an eye!
This is about the infrastructure of the Country!
Yes lockdown is awful and it's killing people but the alternative is worse - that's the only reason this is continuing!

I'm just going to keep posting this! No one is listening! It's not about saving a few lives!

This Govt don't care if people die either of Covid or suicide from the lockdown, or cancer or whatever but they have to keep the Country running!

Every public service has been cut to the bone over the last 10 years, even the armed forces, there is no contingency anywhere!

If even a small percentage of each work force are off sick, even for a fortnight, never mind months, in hospital or with Long Covid we are screwed!

@Thomasina2021

I mean why vaccinate people in care homes as a priority ? These are people at the end of their lives , this gov has lost the plot

You'll be burned at the stake for that one @Thomasina2021 😂

I saw this on the news yesterday. It's rare I agree with a Tory....but I agree.

They are rotting away indoors to save people who have lived their lives and are an average rot 85 fkn years old

Why on earth are they rotting away indoors ? I know its hard to get the buggers outside if not in a pack, but they are allowed outside.

@ktp100 I am so glad I saw your post!! Was scrolling through the self absorbed crap and wondering how could so many be so heartless and then, thankfully there was your post.
I'd never put a price on a human life, but many here seem to think it's easily traded for more of a social life.
I'm one of the tedious covid long haulers. I'm also a person who thinks that the suffering of anyone is something best avoided. Yes I miss going out. But I'd never think that the heartbreak of others is something that should happen so I can go out.
I have colleagues in the NHS who are so worn down, and traumatised. But there's a few of you on here who miss shops and the pub, how dreadful!! You've suffered so much!
Just because it's not you, your family and friends, it doesn't make life any less.

@Dustyboots

But this is about our health care system' s ability to cope

Whose fault is it that our NHS cannot cope?

Exactly this!! We started this pandemic with 40,000 less nurses due to cuts. When did it became the public's responsibility to save the NHS.

We've done our bit for a year and half now.

*What are we doing to our young people !?

They are rotting away indoors to save people who have lived their lives and are an average rot 85 fkn years old*

This.

But we’re not allowed to say it. In fact we should feel guilt about it. We’re all granny killers even if we think it.

But this is about our health care system' s ability to cope

Whose fault is it that our NHS cannot cope?

Tory voters mainly!

@frumpety

They are rotting away indoors to save people who have lived their lives and are an average rot 85 fkn years old

Why on earth are they rotting away indoors ? I know its hard to get the buggers outside if not in a pack, but they are allowed outside.

I really hate it when what young people have had to give up is completely minimised like this.

@frumpety

They are rotting away indoors to save people who have lived their lives and are an average rot 85 fkn years old

Why on earth are they rotting away indoors ? I know its hard to get the buggers outside if not in a pack, but they are allowed outside.

What for a proxy walk ?

When young people should be playing sport , dancing , playing with friends in playgrounds, snogging behind the bike sheds