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We cannot cancel life, to preserve every life

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Slytherin · 11/02/2021 20:20

I actually find myself agreeing with a Tory for once...we’ve given up so much and the goalposts keep moving, yes it’s an unpredictable situation, but it’s also unsustainable long term. The idea that this summer will be possibly worse than last summer makes zero sense, when we have a vaccine roll out that far exceeds any other nation (except Israel) currently.
First it was let’s get the elderly and vulnerable vaccinated, then it was let’s get the over 50s vaccinated, now we’ve got members of SAGE suggesting restrictions have to continue until everyone, including children are vaccinated and beyond, because of the possibility of new variants. Professor John Edmunds said some would have to stay “forever” last night on Peston.

We must at some point live with an element of risk. I’m in no way suggesting we lift lockdown yet, but suggesting that things won’t have much improved by the summer, is, in my opinion encroaching into dangerous territory.

The government were over promising before, now they’re under promising. There’s got to be a middle ground, people’s mental health cannot sustain this level of pessimism and not having a single thing to look forward to. Everything gets dangled like a carrot, then taken away at the last minute. It’s beyond cruel.

Then it’s the mixed messages, Matt Hancock telling us he’s going on a summer holiday to Cornwall and he’s all booked up and Grant Shapps then telling nobody to even consider booking a holiday abroad or domestically this summer.

Yes, I support restrictions to save lives and support the NHS, but I don’t support the way the government are handling this once again. And I don’t support these restrictions indefinitely, especially when the majority of the at risk groups have been vaccinated.

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ColdBrightClearMorning · 12/02/2021 12:31

@LucilleTheVampireBat

Can't wait to see the ragtag bunch of mumsnetters outside Westminster with 'down wiv the pandemic' on their placards

You do that a lot. You use words/language to try and imply that people who don't share your opinion are thick/uneducated/can't spell.

I've said it before but the fervent lockdown supporters, who are so keen to save the lives of strangers, aren't actually very nice to other people, unless those people agree with them. Weird.

Nice to see someone calling @GetOffYourHighHorse out (not that it doesn’t happen a lot, it’s just nice to see anyway)!

Their posts on this topic are, without exception, toxic. And rarely, if ever, worth reading.

StealthPolarBear · 12/02/2021 12:34

"Each possible ray of hope is squashed when we get closer"
Yes this. Ever shifting goalposts

FMSucks · 12/02/2021 12:35

Wholeheartedly agree with @Thingybob and I'm 46.

Washingmyself · 12/02/2021 12:35

@Thomasina2021
These people with conditions caused by their lifestyles are dictating how the test of us live (exist )

How fucking fucking dare you say this?
So I was born with atopic eczema, have an allergic asthma and you say I cause it myself!? And then I’m to die at being 46 as I have underlying conditions????????? So you fucking can go out on fucking date????
You are nasty !

Hammonds · 12/02/2021 12:38

mamaatthegym I think your on the wind up now. Seriously can’t believe some one could be this oblivious or wilfully ignorant.

And just incase you really are oblivious- the economy really can’t be stopped then picked back up. It doesn’t work that way. You seem to exist in a little bubble, what a wonderful place to be..

heidipi · 12/02/2021 12:39

@ClaudiaWankleman if someone you work with or live with has a car crash, how is the risk of you having a car crash increased? And how does the risk of people who are then in contact with you having a car crash increase?

A person has a car crash in another country and people who were in contact with them have car crashes and then people who were in contact with them come to our country and before you know it the NHS is overwhelmed with people who have had car crashes. NHS staff treating the people who have had car crashes have car crashes too. Yep you're right - that matches the description of a pandemic quite well.

NotAllMeBeer · 12/02/2021 12:40

I agree. I am close to collapse and the long term effects on all this on me and my kids is unbearable to think about.

But fundamentally they should have been saying - this is serious and we will have to adapt our way of life for a long time to come out the other side But countries that acted quickly and sharply havent' had to. I would have rather a China style two months of hell in my house than this long term living hell that has fucked up so much for so many and the fucked up ness will continue long into the future.

FuriousWithTheNHS · 12/02/2021 12:42

We cannot cancel life, to preserve every life

I agree with you. Unfortunately this is the 2020s and that isn't the way things are done. Every single life is equal whether you are 98 or terminally ill or profoundly disabled with a life limiting condition and therefore hugely vulnerable to any and every nasty virus. We are reaping what we have sown as part of being 'civilized.'

Mif4 · 12/02/2021 12:42

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Quit4me · 12/02/2021 12:43

[quote Washingmyself]@Thomasina2021
These people with conditions caused by their lifestyles are dictating how the test of us live (exist )

How fucking fucking dare you say this?
So I was born with atopic eczema, have an allergic asthma and you say I cause it myself!? And then I’m to die at being 46 as I have underlying conditions????????? So you fucking can go out on fucking date????
You are nasty ![/quote]
No, take a breath and read her post again. She wasn’t talking about you.

ClaudiaWankleman · 12/02/2021 12:43

My point was that we accept the existence of risk in other areas of our life, why not with COVID?

A person has a car crash in another country and people who were in contact with them have car crashes and then people who were in contact with them come to our country and before you know it the NHS is overwhelmed with people who have had car crashes. NHS staff treating the people who have had car crashes have car crashes too. Yep you're right - that matches the description of a pandemic quite well

I don't think this actually explains risk to the individual the way you think it does.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 12/02/2021 12:44

'imply that people who don't share your opinion are thick/uneducated/can't spell.'

If the cap fits. This offensive 'old people die anyway' thread is a perfect example of some people's inability to actually assess a situation. The restrictions are needed because there's a pandemic and the demand on hospitals has spiralled you see. That's a fact. Restrictions reduce this massive demand so you and your family could get the care you may need.

You don't have to like it, no one does but to want to protest when they are trying to keep infections rates and deaths down is utterly ridiculous.

mamaatthegym · 12/02/2021 12:46

@Hammonds

mamaatthegym I think your on the wind up now. Seriously can’t believe some one could be this oblivious or wilfully ignorant.

And just incase you really are oblivious- the economy really can’t be stopped then picked back up. It doesn’t work that way. You seem to exist in a little bubble, what a wonderful place to be..

Eh? Since when can economies not be picked back up. For starters, no one has “stopped” the economy. What’s been temporarily shut down will pick up eventually. Businesses will re-open. New businesses will start. Not every single business that’s been forced to close its doors is doomed. Before ANYONE ELSE accuses me of living in a bubble 😂 I lost my job due to Covid! I know full well the impact of a compromised economy.
Carrotcakeforbreakfast · 12/02/2021 12:47

@heidipi
That was Claudia's response to me saying you can't catch a car crash.
I couldn't even be bothered to reply to her as it is laughable.
This is why we have some people so enraged by lockdowns... they literally cannot grasp the very basics of it.

needadvice54321 · 12/02/2021 12:48

[quote Washingmyself]@Thomasina2021
These people with conditions caused by their lifestyles are dictating how the test of us live (exist )

How fucking fucking dare you say this?
So I was born with atopic eczema, have an allergic asthma and you say I cause it myself!? And then I’m to die at being 46 as I have underlying conditions????????? So you fucking can go out on fucking date????
You are nasty ![/quote]
I don't think they meant it like that, I think they meant those that have made life choices that mean they are higher risk, and who haven't tried to help themselves over the last year. For example people who are deemed morbidly obese, who have got that way through their own choices ( I say this as one who is nearly there) and who even with a year of warning haven't tried to change it.

I could be wrong but this is who she was talking about

bumbleymummy · 12/02/2021 12:49

[quote Washingmyself]@Thomasina2021
These people with conditions caused by their lifestyles are dictating how the test of us live (exist )

How fucking fucking dare you say this?
So I was born with atopic eczema, have an allergic asthma and you say I cause it myself!? And then I’m to die at being 46 as I have underlying conditions????????? So you fucking can go out on fucking date????
You are nasty ![/quote]
@Washingmyself Surely eczema doesn't fall into the category of a condition caused by your lifestyle?

heidipi · 12/02/2021 12:50

@ClaudiaWankleman and my point is that risks that come with a pandemic are absolutely nothing like risks of other areas of life so it isn't a useful comparison in any way.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 12/02/2021 12:51

'Eh? Since when can economies not be picked back up. For starters, no one has “stopped” the economy. What’s been temporarily shut down will pick up eventually. Businesses will re-open. New businesses will start. Not every single business that’s been forced to close its doors is doomed'

Exactly, it really isn't Armageddon. It's hard and grim but everything is being done to support businesses and people.

I can't believe people are saying we don't ban cars and people die in car crashes Confused. It is the scale of this virus, it really isn't normal to have 80 critically ill patients in one hospital instead of 25 and wards full of patients with covid.

heidipi · 12/02/2021 12:52

@Carrotcakeforbreakfast yes I saw your post too - I just can't get my head round why people keep trotting that nonsense out. I mostly avoid these threads!

Bollss · 12/02/2021 12:53

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'imply that people who don't share your opinion are thick/uneducated/can't spell.'

If the cap fits. This offensive 'old people die anyway' thread is a perfect example of some people's inability to actually assess a situation. The restrictions are needed because there's a pandemic and the demand on hospitals has spiralled you see. That's a fact. Restrictions reduce this massive demand so you and your family could get the care you may need.

You don't have to like it, no one does but to want to protest when they are trying to keep infections rates and deaths down is utterly ridiculous.

The cap doesn't fit though does it? You seem to think that everyone who disagrees with you is thick. They're not. They just disagree with you.

On the other hand you're showing yourself to be fairly unintelligent with your assumptions.

TheKeatingFive · 12/02/2021 12:54

and my point is that risks that come with a pandemic are absolutely nothing like risks of other areas of life

I’m not sure why you’re saying that. I expect for the average 20 year old their risk of dying from a RTA is much higher than dying from Covid.

ClaudiaWankleman · 12/02/2021 12:55

they literally cannot grasp the very basics of it.

I've grasped it - we've been living it for a year.
I think it's useless, and I think the evidence demonstrates it isn't working. for society as a whole.

I am happy for you to remain holed up in your house though - life might be more enjoyable.

Carrotcakeforbreakfast · 12/02/2021 12:55

@heidipi me too.
Then I get drawn in. I just keep reminding myself that people who I know in RL are the opposite of people on threads like this
The majority get it. They don't like it but they get it.

Sunflowergirl1 · 12/02/2021 12:56

@Washingmyself

@Thomasina2021
"These people with conditions caused by their lifestyles are dictating how the test of us live (exist )
**
How fucking fucking dare you say this?
So I was born with atopic eczema, have an allergic asthma and you say I cause it myself!? And then I’m to die at being 46 as I have underlying conditions????????? So you fucking can go out on fucking date????
You are nasty !
"

Well I don't disagree with your sentiment that many people don't have conditions of their own making. However, I do disagree with your sentiment saying "How fucking dare he say this". This is a real snowflake shite answer. We have freedom of speech in this country, despite people like you trying to stop it when it doesn't suit them to hear something they doesn't like.

Hopefully after the way the government has abused people's freedoms through Covid we will have a written constitution that will include the right to free speech to stop people like this stopping it

Carrotcakeforbreakfast · 12/02/2021 12:57

@ClaudiaWankleman Grin

I've not been in my house for a year. I have to go to work and see patients who have covid or have had car crashes etc.

But you carry on...