We cannot cancel life, to preserve every life

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I actually find myself agreeing with a Tory for once...we’ve given up so much and the goalposts keep moving, yes it’s an unpredictable situation, but it’s also unsustainable long term. The idea that this summer will be possibly worse than last summer makes zero sense, when we have a vaccine roll out that far exceeds any other nation (except Israel) currently.
First it was let’s get the elderly and vulnerable vaccinated, then it was let’s get the over 50s vaccinated, now we’ve got members of SAGE suggesting restrictions have to continue until everyone, including children are vaccinated and beyond, because of the possibility of new variants. Professor John Edmunds said some would have to stay “forever” last night on Peston.

We must at some point live with an element of risk. I’m in no way suggesting we lift lockdown yet, but suggesting that things won’t have much improved by the summer, is, in my opinion encroaching into dangerous territory.

The government were over promising before, now they’re under promising. There’s got to be a middle ground, people’s mental health cannot sustain this level of pessimism and not having a single thing to look forward to. Everything gets dangled like a carrot, then taken away at the last minute. It’s beyond cruel.

Then it’s the mixed messages, Matt Hancock telling us he’s going on a summer holiday to Cornwall and he’s all booked up and Grant Shapps then telling nobody to even consider booking a holiday abroad or domestically this summer.

Yes, I support restrictions to save lives and support the NHS, but I don’t support the way the government are handling this once again. And I don’t support these restrictions indefinitely, especially when the majority of the at risk groups have been vaccinated.

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@bumbleymummy of course it does not.
But she said in her post that people with conditions cause by their lifestyle are dictating how to live now.
She did not distinguish and said only people who smoked or are obese etc by their own choice.
To me it sounded like she put all people with all underlying conditions into one bag.

Then you'll be aware how ineffective lockdown has been.

'The cap doesn't fit though does it? You seem to think that everyone who disagrees with you is thick'

Oh no, I absolutely don't think all people who disagree with me are thick.
Just some offensive comments on here that 'old people die anyway'. I mean seriously, we've watched the news for a year and they really think it is only end of life frail people affected by this?? It is people in their 40s, 50s and 60s and 70s. Yes the over 80s more likely to die, however others age groups do become seriously ill

It's crazy. One minute some wail they need for do more, next thread it's they need to do less.

@TheKeatingFive very true but wouldn’t you also say that your chance of catching (not dying of) Covid would be wayyyyy higher than getting into (not dying of) a car crash?

The cap doesn't fit though does it? You seem to think that everyone who disagrees with you is thick. They're not. They just disagree with you.

Quite. I actually have a relevant degree to interpret the numbers (statistics). I just have a different viewpoint to some. I also question the narrative that strict lockdown is all that has kept essential services running given how many countries have had far less strict lockdowns with no reports of their services being overwhelmed.

Ineffective how?

Are numbers are steadying out now.
How do you think things would have gone without the lockdown?

*our

'Then I get drawn in. I just keep reminding myself that people who I know in RL are the opposite of people on threads like this. The majority get it. They don't like it but they get it.'

Yes. Same, I don't know anyone who doesn't understand the risks and problems of a pandemic do not equal other everyday risks.

@TheKeatingFive
We have a small percentage of rtc patients on ITU. 85% of our ITU patients are there due to covid.
Which is an improvement as 3 weeks ago it was 95%.

very true but wouldn’t you also say that your chance of catching (not dying of) Covid would be wayyyyy higher than getting into (not dying of) a car crash?

There will be huge variation in terms of what you choose/are forced to expose yourself to.

And for a huge number of the age group we’re talking about Covid would be mild if not asymptomatic.

If I were 20, I’d be a lot more worried about car crashes.

We have a small percentage of rtc patients on ITU. 85% of our ITU patients are there due to covid

I’m not denying Covid is a bigger issue for the HS. I’m talking about risk profiles for 20 somethings.

You’ve been pretty much wailing the same nonsense ad nauseum since this whole thing began, zero ability to think deeper, zero ability to question further but 100% desire to keep on like this when it’s not feasible.

It’s not even worth engaging frankly.

[quote Washingmyself]@bumbleymummy of course it does not.
But she said in her post that people with conditions cause by their lifestyle are dictating how to live now.
She did not distinguish and said only people who smoked or are obese etc by their own choice.
To me it sounded like she put all people with all underlying conditions into one bag.[/quote]
I didn’t read it like that at all. To me, she was clearly referring to people who are obese or have obesity-related conditions and are therefore at higher risk but have done nothing to try to change and reduce their personal risk.

'You’ve been pretty much wailing the same nonsense ad nauseum since this whole thing began'

Oh hang on, if I disagree with you I'm 'wailing the same nonsense', that isn't allowed I'm afraid. Try to debate what I'm actually saying, hmm?

It isn't just me it is many others. The restrictions are needed, no one likes it but it is necessary until vaccination effect is reliable and consistent.

Oh no, I absolutely don't think all people who disagree with me are thick

You do actually. You throw “thick” and “dim” around like confetti when people disagree with you.

@TheKeatingFive

You’ve been pretty much wailing the same nonsense ad nauseum since this whole thing began, zero ability to think deeper, zero ability to question further but 100% desire to keep on like this when it’s not feasible.

It’s not even worth engaging frankly.

I know 😂😂 I’m ashamed I did but he/she is just so aggravating and ridiculous in their posts but I shouldn’t have bothered.

I would if it was anything worthy of debate, hmmmm.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'The cap doesn't fit though does it? You seem to think that everyone who disagrees with you is thick'

Oh no, I absolutely don't think all people who disagree with me are thick.
Just some offensive comments on here that 'old people die anyway'. I mean seriously, we've watched the news for a year and they really think it is only end of life frail people affected by this?? It is people in their 40s, 50s and 60s and 70s. Yes the over 80s more likely to die, however others age groups do become seriously ill

It's crazy. One minute some wail they need for do more, next thread it's they need to do less.

That statement is true. Old people do die. That is quite normal. Saying that is not saying that other people will not die from this, is It? That's just your interpretation of a statement.

A small minority of other groups become seriously ill and die, yes. I think we are all aware of that.

Agreed. I have behaved, followed rules, didn't see my parents for months last year (as most people), but my parents are vaccinated, my husbands are, when we are and my sister etc, I will see them all. Otherwise what is the point. Friends no, but family yes, I have to have something to look forward to, otherwise it is just BLEAK.
Haven't RTFT but as @secretllama said, we have to live not just exist.

Could you define - cancel life?

Are we talking the economy or the way we live e.g. travel etc...

This lockdown has made me realise that my life was already locked down.

*'know 😂😂 I’m ashamed I did but he/she is just so aggravating and ridiculous in their posts but I shouldn’t have bothered.'

All the lolz! Look i couldn't give a rat's ass if you and a handful of people on here resort to insults because you are unable debate like grown ups. It is because you can't. A pp said we don't ban cars and people die in crashes, I mean really. It is not remotely comparable.

I'm afraid it is you and your cheerleaders who insult people. Thick. Selfish. Evil. Weaklings. Just a few choice words.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

*'know 😂😂 I’m ashamed I did but he/she is just so aggravating and ridiculous in their posts but I shouldn’t have bothered.'

All the lolz! Look i couldn't give a rat's ass if you and a handful of people on here resort to insults because you are unable debate like grown ups. It is because you can't. A pp said we don't ban cars and people die in crashes, I mean really. It is not remotely comparable.

You clearly do..

Ineffective how?

Because, if you take your blinkers off, you'll see years long waiting lists, rocketing addictions, increasing mental health issues and even COVID deaths and cases increasing despite repeated lockdowns. Can you really only think of one issue at a time?