So, what are you going to do?

[LaMarschallin]

To the people who are saying they won't stand this any longer:

What exactly do you plan to do?

March on the streets?

Run out of your house and hug your family?

Not wear masks?

Because you can't go to the cinema, theatre, festivals, shops, libraries, cafes, pubs, send your children to school, see beauticians etc without the government's say so.

I'm just interested to know what the alternative is to trying to keep the infection rate down is.

Once the spring is here we plan to have an outside dinner with a few friends in the garden with heaters, same as we did over the winter. We will do the same with family no doubt. Play some tennis in the garden, play garden games, have some fun. Reconnect.

Kids will also start seeing their friends properly again.

@LaMarschallin

I didn't phrase this well.

I do understand the need to see friends and family (I want to see mine).

What I mean is: once you've seen and hugged them and had a chat...

That may be all you can do for a long time if more and more things are shut down.

And?

@RosieLemonade I don’t know you and you don’t know me but I’m here if you wanna chat. I’ve been where you are, worried I might be there again soon. If you want to vent reach out

@LaMarschallin

Yes, yes I'm wrong.

Crack on and break all the rules you like.

Let's see where that gets us.

This just comes across as childish

Probably kidnap a chef, break into a five star hotel for use of the spa whilst chef cooks me food and then have a night in bed without a toddler jumping on my head.

In reality just going to see my mum and dad would be enough. Which I will definitely be doing at the end of March no matter what the lockdown situation is.

I think people like LaMarschallin start these threads because of their own high level anxiety - the motive is they want everyone else to sit at home and rot like them and are worried that the tide is turning and people are going to start revolting or just breaking low-level rules or whatever.

Maybe they think starting these threads will change a few peoples minds - convince them to think more like her.
Remember misery likes company (I must’ve used that phrase about a million times since the first lockdown!)

[quote Sunnydays999]@gallbladderpain I understand this is very difficult for you , but you can’t honestly expect every child to stay in .[/quote]
Right now during the national lockdown whenever EVERYONE children included should be staying at home only leaving home for individual exercise and essential reasons...then yes I do expect people to do exactly that because that is how we move forward. That is how we get community transmission down. People shouldn't just pick and choose what suits them at this moment of time. If People do the right thing and community transmission comes down it makes it safer for everyone. Rates are dropping lockdown is working...can you imagine how much faster they would come down and how much shorter lockdowns would be if every single person complied possibly could have meant schools reopening again now in February without having to add an extra month on.
As I say mine have been at home for an entire year and yet people can't get their children to do it for a matter of weeks. Children are a lot more resilient than people give them credit for and to be honest from what I say most parents are using their children as an excuse to break the rules whenever the child would be perfectly fine for a few weeks until they get back to school where they will get plenty of socialising.
There are many ways to keep them entertained at home in the meantime. This isn't the only generation to have had to live through something dreadful and in many countries children live through worse and they survive.
I feel like we are just breeding a generation of snowflakes these days to be honest.

@Cloudsurfing

I don’t care about most of those things. I’m going to see my family and friends though. Starting with my in-laws in March.

Why March? Why not tomorrow.

@faerin

To address your follow-up responses:

I have discovered throughout this pandemic that my empathy is a finite resource.

This "people are going to die!" deal stopped making me feel anything around about late summer 2020. It's like a button that got pushed too much and now it is broken. I simply don't care anymore. I can't shoulder the burden of everyone else's health for the forseeable. It's a ridiculous demand to put on people, especially people who were suffering beforehand.

Yes, I know people are dying and suffering and gasping for breath and the NHS is crippled and nurses PTSD... Ultimately though, if my own suffering starts to cut too deeply to the point I'm sacrificing my own health and life, I am at some point going to do what I need to do to keep sane. For me, that is resolved by being close to the people I love.

Fully agree @faerin

Probably kidnap a chef, break into a five star hotel for use of the spa whilst chef cooks me food and then have a night in bed without a toddler jumping on my head.

You'll need an accomplice. Chefs have brawny arms and lots of stamina so can run quite fast. Not that I've already tried this; just something I've heard.

Carry on seeing my friends and family when I like until everything is open, then pub, restaurant, holiday.

If they carry on with this shit then there will be civil unrest. When it's warmer

I might even join in as long as far as the marching goes but not as far as the defacing public property and looting.

I’ll carry on seeing my DM, widowed, a couple of times a week for a cuppa outside in the garden. I don’t go anywhere much except to see her and she can’t walk far so can’t be my exercise buddy. We have a friend in our bubble already so seeing my mum is outside the law. I couldn’t care less who thinks what of it. She doesn’t know anyone who has had it. Apart from our bubble friend who had it in Oct through work (nurse) I don’t either.

I wouldn’t do anything like marching - and if I went into a shop I wouldn’t see my DM for a week and when the bubble friend comes I give it a week too - but by seeing her I am not increasing the risk to the NHS. I am careful. I use my common sense to asses the risk to my DM and there basically is none. I have had about 10 tests in the last year, all negative, no antibodies nothing. And even if I did have it, she still couldn’t catch it as I sit miles away with my own flask. I’m not going to not do that. I’m just not.

As soon as I see the expression ‘snowflakes’ I know everything I need to know about the user 🙄

Why do you need to know OP what others are doing, I don't care what you do. You must be bored to start this weird thread.

@rawalpindithelabrador

So ..... because your kid is CEV and miserable, everyone elses kids must also be miserable, so its 'fair'.

Sorry. I understand you are angry and fed up, but that's illogical, and wishing your misery on others so we are all equally as miserable is a sad thing.

I couldn't agree more and I had a child who was CEV (later passed away of secondary infection). At no point did I expect hte rest of the world to cloister itself away because of that. One of my children has SN and this has caused him and us untold grief.

I have a parent who died from Covid. We were unable to go to the funeral, nor was my h able to go to his parent's.

Both of them said this was no way to go through life. It isn't .

@Fembot123

As soon as I see the expression ‘snowflakes’ I know everything I need to know about the user 🙄

Soon to be followed by comparisons with WWII.

Go to friends houses for play dates
Go to friends houses for dinner/take aways
Go to holiday home by the sea
Go shopping in the garden centre for non essentials
Go on a walk with 2 friends
Lots of things to do even with lots of things closed

You must be bored to start this weird thread.

True.

How bored must you be to be reading it?

Maybe they think starting these threads will change a few peoples minds - convince them to think more like her.

I do.

I've several million converts to my cult already.

I've gotten to breaking point. I've tried really hard but I'm going to have to meet someone soon.

I adopted a 1 year old, and he managed to see my family for 6 - 7 months before we went into lockdown. He's seen his new family for that amount. He's nearly 3 now.

Adoption comes with its own struggles and I've not had that much support in anyway. My 3 year olds speech has still not developed probably due to a mix of people wearing masks, lack of interaction and adoption (it's quite common for adopted kids to be behind on speech). I've not been able to see a speech therapist because of covid. His social skills will probably getting worse because of all this.

My mental health is at breaking point. I've been working from home since the adoption, so including adoption leave i havnt really had a proper conversation with anyone in 2 years. I can't take the burden of other people's lives anymore.

@Fembot123

As soon as I see the expression ‘snowflakes’ I know everything I need to know about the user 🙄

Well what else do you call people who whine about such simple things in life, have no resilience and aren't taught any either. Seriously anything could happen to anyone of these children they could have their own major health diagnosis just sat around the corner and to be honest I've no idea how the half of them would even begin to be able to cope with it. They can't stay in their houses for a while without going absolutely crazy it would seem....so I'm not quite sure how long stays in tiny hospital rooms looking at the same 4 walls day in day out would he even on the scale for any of them these days. I know children who aren't vulnerable but who's parents are following the rules and the kids have stayed at home and yes they do miss their friends perfectly natural reaction and they may struggle with homeschooling and can't wait to get back to school but none of them have died of boredom yet !

@gallbladderpain

😳

Wow. 'Essential reasons only' , 'the right thing', 'Snowflakes', 'children are resilient'. Quadruple whammy.

You are just MN typified arent you.

You have assumed those type of places wont be open, with local resturants and bars getting more and more desperate by the day, I will support them opening.

Before anyone starts, I have followed all the rules at a massive detrimete to my families' mental health, our financial situation.

We have stay in, as the advert goes, yes I can look those people in the eyes and say I have done everything I can possibly do, despite the fact Covid presents a very tiny small chance that it would be serious to us. However, these measures have destroyed what myself and my partner have been working towards for years.

There are bound to be loopholes, rules that are not in the spirit etc, I have no problem with businesses breaking them come March. Yes I will wait, but the government have dealt with it a year by the point and have learnt nothing

@TempsPerdu I used to teach early years too and feel the same as you. My toddler ds has the odd play date and there is literally no-one or nothing out there that can make me feel guilty about that. I'm biologically programmed to care for and nurture him and point blank refuse to do him long-term (arguably permanent) damage.

Pre-schoolers really have been forgotten about in this whole thing and it's heart-breaking.