So, what are you going to do?

[LaMarschallin]

To the people who are saying they won't stand this any longer:

What exactly do you plan to do?

March on the streets?

Run out of your house and hug your family?

Not wear masks?

Because you can't go to the cinema, theatre, festivals, shops, libraries, cafes, pubs, send your children to school, see beauticians etc without the government's say so.

I'm just interested to know what the alternative is to trying to keep the infection rate down is.

Sadly family isn’t even an option for me

And I do want the rest of the things, especially for dc. But not much I can do

LucilleTheVampireBat

Do you actually want to know, or is this just another opportunity for the superiority posters to snigger and insult people?

Honestly, I do want to know.
Obviously I can't make any difference but I want to know what people mean when they say "they won't take it anymore" or similar.

Are they talking about civil unrest?
Or do they mean visiting relatives and friends?

Some things can't be done if they're illegal eg some things I mentioned above.

If people are going to visit family and friends, will this mean tougher government sanctions and/or higher death rates and are these people okay with that ?

I honestly just don't know what is meant by "I won't put up with this any more".

My opinion is: Fine. Go and visit people but don't expect things to get any easier any sooner. And they may get worse.
But that may be worth it to you.

I love my daughters and miss them.
But I'd rather get this over with sooner without hugs rather than later.

Is it that difficult to understand that there are lots of us that don’t really care about going to a pub or shop right now? I mean I’d love to be able to do everything again but i can cope for a long time without doing those things if I have to and it won’t have much impact on my life. Seeing family and friends is most important to me. And my baby is my main priority. My baby doesn’t need to go to a pub, but she does need to bond with her family. She comes first in my life.

I've been having my nieces for sleepovers and mine have gone to my sister's.

I'm seeing my parents indoors socially.

Nothing else I can do really.

What I’m doing right now is arranging playdates for my three year old so that she actually sees another kid each week. They play in the garden, the other mum and I sit several metres apart under a patio heater. (Yes, I’m fucking over the infection rate and the planet at the same time!)

I suspect it’s this sort of small-scale rule breaking that’s happening a lot.

Ah I see. So you've decided to ignore all the cases being caught in the workplace, hospitals and prisons to focus on bullying people online about hugging their nan? To me, your behaviour is illogical but lots of people believe this sort of activity reduces the r rate so I'm sure you'll have some back up soon.

I’m seeing family indoors. My FIL/Step MIL and extended family never stopped so we’ve joined in. My mum and dad, we will start to see them, they are already having the children in the half term as a “childcare bubble”’which is technically legal but we don’t need. My brother lives with us, he is moving out next weekend but we will still see him, as a support bubble. Went round to a friends the other week and had coffee. Will continue to see whoever wants to see me!

I don't mean it as a "Gotcha!" or anything else.

I know people yearn for family and friends (even people like me who make these posts have family and friends*).

Fair enough. Stop following the rules.
No doubt that will make things better much sooner.

*Enough with the jokes! I do, honestly.

@LaMarschallin to answer your latest post, I don’t mean civil unrest, I mean seeing family and friends even if it’s against restrictions. I am ok with longer/tougher government sanctions for everything else.

As for higher death rates, if there are then that’s a shame but I don’t believe that people should be stopped from seeing family for this long. But actually I don’t think there will be higher death rates as the vulnerable who make up a large percentage of the deaths are being vaccinated and so will be protected.

All this carrying on for longer is fine with me as long as I can see my family and friends. It would’ve worth it for me. I don’t need massive parties but seeing one other household at a time would be fine with me. I’ll happily stick to everything else if we can do that.

Surely you must realise lots of the things you've listed as closed aren't actually. Many people are working from home in the beauty industry. If you wanted to you could go and have your hair or nails done. There is lots of underground events on. You could choose to go to these. Just because many people haven't up until now doesn't mean they couldn't. Lots of people are still going on holiday, socialising indoors etc.

Household mixing, ruined businesses and education and the travel industry I can at least throw my child a birthday and give her play dates etc.

Oh yeh and get my hair done

I am ok with longer/tougher government sanctions for everything else.

It’s a shame we can’t get the version we want. I’d see friends outside if other restrictions lift.

Our garden centre opens up soon I'll be going for a browse, I'm sure almost everybody else there will have had at least 1 jab!

@LaMarschallin don't take it too personally. We have dealt with a year of people screaming about how staying at home will magically cure everything. Lots are sick of hearing it but lots still agree with you xx

And before people start listing other things to try and change our minds, no I don’t care if schools are closed. I don’t care if I can’t go on holiday. I don’t care if I don’t step foot in a cinema, restaurant or hairdressers this year. I do care about seeing family and I can do that perfectly easily if I choose to (and I do choose to from March).

Civil unrest is always a possibility OP, you must know that.

Any group of people who decide that their rights/freedoms have been eroded enough is likely to think of, plan and execute acts of civil unrest.

Whether or not there are enough people now feeling that enough is enough, I don't know. I'd hope that the government and its advisors would gather together enough sense to sort this situation out before marches/riots begin.

For my own part, I will see such family/friends as are willing to do the same, I think.

Yes, yes I'm wrong.

Crack on and break all the rules you like.

Let's see where that gets us.

Have my friends over for copious amounts of wine. I cant bloody wait.

@LaMarschallin I’ll only be breaking one rule. I’m sticking to all the many others .

Household mixing on a small scale will have a tiny effect, compared to hospitals, large events, travel, care homes etc.

I actually dont care about the death rates. If the death rates go up a bit but it means I can see my family, I dont care.

I've been seeing friends and family the whole way through anyway.

Fine, i'll take your response at face value OP.

I have friends coming round this Friday and Saturday for all the drinks. My mum is coming for lunch on Sunday. My beautician friend is doing my nails next Wednesday night. My daughters' boyfriend is staying over too.

Given the opportunity for "civil unrest" as you put it, I would jump at the chance and would do whatever it took. The sheer helplessness of this situation is really mentally overwhelming for me. My life has been taken away from me and I am supposed to accept it for "the greater good". Well, I did, and now i'm done.

Shodan

Civil unrest is always a possibility OP, you must know that.

Must I?

Oh, yes - that'll be why I mentioned marching on the streets, I suppose

Then what happens?

I really think the government need to let us see others soon. I’m sure more people will comply with everything else for longer if they could at least do that. Just one other household at a time. People would be a lot happier.