So, what are you going to do?

[LaMarschallin]

To the people who are saying they won't stand this any longer:

What exactly do you plan to do?

March on the streets?

Run out of your house and hug your family?

Not wear masks?

Because you can't go to the cinema, theatre, festivals, shops, libraries, cafes, pubs, send your children to school, see beauticians etc without the government's say so.

I'm just interested to know what the alternative is to trying to keep the infection rate down is.

@Dontforgetyourbrolly

“it is worrying I agree . Acquaintances I knew before lockdown have become very strange and terrified of the thought of going back to a normal life”

I feel like some people have been conditioned. What logic is there to carrying this on once all of the vulnerable have had their jab!?

The last major pandemic spanish flu lasted three years, it's a long time I agree but its doable to save my family and friends.

Flu pandemic generally last 2 years. But they are variations on a virus that we have had in the population for centuries and we know we develop long lasting immunity (but the virus mutates regularly). So, e.g. Spanish Flu famously affected the young rather than the old and it is thought that is because the older population had immunity from a similar variant that caused a 19th century flu pandemic.

Other pandemics have behaved in different ways. Sweating sickness was feared in Tudor times but disappeared after about 80 years. The plague was the worst pandemic in history, killing millions of people in the 14th century, causing multiple epidemics throughout history and still killing people today although we can now control it with antibiotics. Measles emerged in the 12th to 12th century, killed up to 50% of naive populations in the old world when they were first exposed to it, then did the same in the new world. Until the WHO decided to try and irradicate it in the 80s it was still causing 2.3 million deaths a year worldwide (now there's less than 100,000 deaths a year). HIV emerged in the 20s and still kills about 1 million a year.

People keep saying pandemics lasta few years. That is only true for flu. The previous novel Coronavirus outbreaks in the last century were easier to contain than this one. We also know there are several coronaviruses that cause the common cold but we don't know how long it typically takes a coronavirus to become harmless in humans. And anyway, we are messing with that by having lockdowns and creating false 'waves' of infection. Thankfully we are also now able to mess with the natural progression by vaccination. But next winter will be crucial, we'll have a population that is vaccinated and hopefully that will be sufficient to ameliorate the effects of infection, even by new variants. After all, even now, most unvaccinated people are asymptomatic or have a mild infection that does not require medical care. If the vaccine can push the vulnerable into the 'mild infection' group then we're sorted (plus of course, treatments are continually improving). But it is a waiting game at the moment. Fascinating for us scientists while also being horrible on a personal level (haven't seen my family since 2019).

marieantoinhairnet
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@Dontforgetyourbrolly

There are definitely people that are loving lockdown . Some through fear and as pp said some that didnt really do much anyway and secretly delight in everyone else being stuck at home. Strange but true

Honestly, why are people on mn saying this? Who the hell knows ANYONE who is enjoying this?!?

Does it just suit people to say stupid stuff on here sometimes?

Honestly, why are people on mn saying this? Who the hell knows ANYONE who is enjoying this?!? Does it just suit people to say stupid stuff on here sometimes?

Have a browse through this thread from a couple of months ago:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4100764-That-in-the-pandemic-hasn-t-all-been-bad

@ssd

Some people have more emotional resilience and more willingness to take personal responsibility to act in the public good.

People who haven't and don't tend to say the thing that you quoted about those who have and do.

I don't think anyone is enjoying this.

Noone enjoys covid but there are some people who love lockdown. They shout it's too early when things open, they say stay at home - it's not that hard, they call the police over real or perceived minor breaches, they bully the mask exempt online and lots of other bad behaviour. Lockdown lovers are definitely a thing!

@ssd and @PrincessNutNuts

If you had a shitty commute, worked with people you hated, never socialised anyway and don’t have young kids lockdown is probably an improvement in your life. This isn’t a difficult concept to grasp.

Supporting endless lockdowns isn’t indicative of emotional resilience. It’s an act of self interest - for you personally the risk of covid is worse than the effects of lockdown.

For others, eg those who are losing their homes and can’t feed their kids, the risk is not worthwhile.

Before you come online to conceitedly proclaim your superior emotional resilience and moral superiority for supporting lockdown, perhaps you should imagine how it feels to be in their position.

Supporting endless lockdowns isn’t indicative of emotional resilience. It’s an act of self interest - for you personally the risk of covid is worse than the effects of lockdown.

This.

Everyone has people they want to see or things they want to do.

And "wanting endless lockdown" is the other sort of thing people say about those of us who understand that the lockdowns happened because the virus was allowed to spread out of control.

And that the key to not having lockdowns is to get the virus under control once and for all.

It won't help any of those issues you mention to go back into lockdown two or three more times this year.

So let's do it properly this time, so we never have to Lockdown again.

@TheKeatingFive

Supporting endless lockdowns isn’t indicative of emotional resilience. It’s an act of self interest - for you personally the risk of covid is worse than the effects of lockdown.

This.

No one supports endless lockdowns.

“Everyone has people they want to see or things they want to do.”

This just sums up your lack of empathy, to those in a worse lockdown situation than you.

For some people it isn’t about wanting to see people and go to places we miss. It’s literally about surviving financially or worrying about irreparable damage to their children’s development.

@Igglepigglepeppaandgeorge

Noone enjoys covid but there are some people who love lockdown. They shout it's too early when things open, they say stay at home - it's not that hard, they call the police over real or perceived minor breaches, they bully the mask exempt online and lots of other bad behaviour. Lockdown lovers are definitely a thing!

They certainly are!

So let's do it properly this time, so we never have to Lockdown again.

How long exactly is it you think we should go without food, utilities (in freezing cold weather), healthcare or emergency services? Because that’s what ‘doing it properly’ would need to look like.

It's delusional to think 'let's do it properly and it'll never have to be so again'. Parts of Oz are back in lockdown. This will go on forever folks.

@PrincessNutNuts

Everyone has people they want to see or things they want to do.

And "wanting endless lockdown" is the other sort of thing people say about those of us who understand that the lockdowns happened because the virus was allowed to spread out of control.

And that the key to not having lockdowns is to get the virus under control once and for all.

It won't help any of those issues you mention to go back into lockdown two or three more times this year.

So let's do it properly this time, so we never have to Lockdown again.

We’ll hear the plan soon tg

But what would you do and for how long?

@Devlesko You're forgetting that we now have the vaccine. If it proves effective, it will change everything, same as it did with Smallpox and Polio.

@PrincessNutNuts

Everyone has people they want to see or things they want to do.

And "wanting endless lockdown" is the other sort of thing people say about those of us who understand that the lockdowns happened because the virus was allowed to spread out of control.

And that the key to not having lockdowns is to get the virus under control once and for all.

It won't help any of those issues you mention to go back into lockdown two or three more times this year.

So let's do it properly this time, so we never have to Lockdown again.

What on earth does "do it properly" mean

How long is doing it properly, is it until every business in the land is fooked?

I mean, let's fave it, a lot of the furloughed are already screwed as a huge % of them will be returning to companies on the verge of collapse

I think people have some deluded idea that you can just shut down the whole country and everyone stays at home.

Take a nurse. She needs to go to work, but so does the garage worker so she can petrol on the way to work, the breakdown guy in case she breaks down, the guy who delivers the petrol to the garage, the teacher or nursery worker so she has somewhere to put her kids while she works, the bus driver for the bus she needs while her car is broken down, the dozens of people who work in a shop so she can get food after she has done a 14 hour shift and hasnt time to cook for her family, the gas or electric guy if her energy goes off, the plumber if her pipes leak and her house is flooding, the fire workers if she has a fire, the police/social workers/paramedics/admin/porters/doctors/HCAs/cleaners/security that work with her on a daily basis in A&E, then all the people who work in any production or supply of any items to a hospital.

There is no such thing as a 'proper' lockdown.

@TwirpingBird

I think people have some deluded idea that you can just shut down the whole country and everyone stays at home.

Take a nurse. She needs to go to work, but so does the garage worker so she can petrol on the way to work, the breakdown guy in case she breaks down, the guy who delivers the petrol to the garage, the teacher or nursery worker so she has somewhere to put her kids while she works, the bus driver for the bus she needs while her car is broken down, the dozens of people who work in a shop so she can get food after she has done a 14 hour shift and hasnt time to cook for her family, the gas or electric guy if her energy goes off, the plumber if her pipes leak and her house is flooding, the fire workers if she has a fire, the police/social workers/paramedics/admin/porters/doctors/HCAs/cleaners/security that work with her on a daily basis in A&E, then all the people who work in any production or supply of any items to a hospital.

There is no such thing as a 'proper' lockdown.

Also what would the nurse do when she gets home....no engineers working in T.V, radio, no one to fix her broadband should that go down, no body to fix her gas supply or electric if anything should go wrong with those.

Those advocating lockdown the country, really haven't though it through.

I imagine some people would like to have friends round. Have a take away or cook a meal.
Go to a friends/ family for a coffee and chat.
Join together to do a sport - running, cycling, football etc.
Play dates for young kids.
A teen having a couple of mates round. Hanging out together somewhere. (The majority don't do this atm)
As it warms up BBQ with family or friends.

We only occasionally went out for meals , cinema etc but our social life used to be in each other's houses or doing a sport together. All these things if I wanted to could happen without anything opening again.
I think this is what would happen more if people have had enough.

@fuzzymoon

I imagine some people would like to have friends round. Have a take away or cook a meal. Go to a friends/ family for a coffee and chat. Join together to do a sport - running, cycling, football etc. Play dates for young kids. A teen having a couple of mates round. Hanging out together somewhere. (The majority don't do this atm) As it warms up BBQ with family or friends.

We only occasionally went out for meals , cinema etc but our social life used to be in each other's houses or doing a sport together. All these things if I wanted to could happen without anything opening again.
I think this is what would happen more if people have had enough.

This is what I want too. None of my life revolved around non essential shops or pubs. By spring I plan to see more people; friends in parks, my inlaws for a sunday dinner, maybe a BBQ with one other family in my garden during the summer (hoping my neighbours dont call the police..... I cant believe I am even typing that to be honest). People is the one and only thing I miss.

I just want to go to my family's gardens! Once the weather is nicer and I can sit and have a cuppa in a garden all will feel much better. I won't be going in houses of my family though as I have a few high risk people, or friends as I will worry too much, but gardens are the way forward with the spring and summer weather

How long is doing it properly, is it until every business in the land is fooked?

No.

Right now it's until the hospitals are not full of covid patients - as if yesterday, there were still more that at the height of the first peak. R is below one as a result of the lockdown, so if we can hold it there we watch for the the new case number to decline.

Once that is done, we can start reopening, and I hope that this time there will be a phased approach, so that we can see the impact of each stage of reopening schools (community vectors) after a fortnight or so, rather than just ploughing on regardless.

The economy and business would be far more fucked from stop/start strong restrictions than from a measured approach now.