So, what are you going to do?

[LaMarschallin]

To the people who are saying they won't stand this any longer:

What exactly do you plan to do?

March on the streets?

Run out of your house and hug your family?

Not wear masks?

Because you can't go to the cinema, theatre, festivals, shops, libraries, cafes, pubs, send your children to school, see beauticians etc without the government's say so.

I'm just interested to know what the alternative is to trying to keep the infection rate down is.

@TwirpingBird

Hate to say it *@gallbladderpain* but kids are being locked away. My toddler hasnt interacted with another child in god knows how long. She is scared of other kids now and cries if anyone speaks to her. She has been locked away for half her life. My 3 month old hasnt seen anyone except me and DH. She hasnt been indoors anywhere except my house and the GP for jabs. This idea that they have to be indefinitely locked away because kids who are CEV have to be locked away doesnt make sense. Thats essentially raising an entire generation of kids who cant function. Its incredibly damaging and unnecessary.

Yes exactly. The idea that all children, and all adults as well need to be locked away which is what is happen at the moment, because some children need to be kept locked away for health reasons is ridiculous. I’m not going it to my child long term.

I know loads of small scale rule breakers....they are all doing multiple tiny rule breaks, which all add up and make the extended circle of contact bigger
And yet, the cases are going down at an incredible rate. Almost as though small scale rule breaking doesn't make much difference.

I have a CEV child (and siblings of this child) who have been 'locked away' for an entire year now. The only contact outside our house has been with medical professionals. Pre Covid my child lived a normal life, they went to school and to look at them as an outsider they are completely 'normal', you would never be able to tell them apart from 'healthy' kids.
So forgive me if i really don't care that your children who have been to school September - December and no doubt were playing even if it was only outdoors with other kids over the summer and have probably been able to see some relatives are now having to stay at home for a few weeks.

I am getting fed up with my neighbours seeing their families all the bloody time. I've not seen my Mum or sister or brother or cousin or Aunt or Uncle since the summer of 2019. It's looking increasingly like we won't get to see them this year either thanks to the pandemic and the restrictions to travel (my family live on an island with no cases so are strict about entry). The thought of it being 3 years or more before I can see my family because of all the selfish rulebreaking is awful. It's like a bereavement, that ache when you want to see someone and know it isn't going to happen.

Lets hope your child never is in that situation and to add salt to the wounds we are in this situation as a result of a mild virus that our DC contracted. So it could very well happen to many more children who contract covid as well alongside other viruses of course

Sooo....

Having posed a question (and having been asked what I expect from it) is there an answer?

Would the majority of people be happy with being able to mix freely with family and friends but accept that public gatherings for education, entertainment, eating and/or drinking, sport, travel etc would be limited for an unknown period?

If civil unrest is the answer, how would you go about it and what would you expect the result to be?

Siepie that is my take on it too.

At a point of low infection rate in my community I no longer believe my actions will affect the overall situation.

The best way for me to avoid covid is to keep off public transport and away from the local hospital.

@gallbladderpain my child is too young to be at school. She hasn’t yet met most of her family and won’t have the opportunity to interact with other children like the older ones will when schools open. So yes I will be seeing family and friends and letting her have that interaction. I’m sorry about your child, it must be very difficult and not nice for any of you but surely you can see that It’s not fair that all other children suffer too? And you didn’t answer my question, did you care and do anything about other children who are vulnerable to other illnesses before covid existed?

Oh Jeepers, Civil Unrest. Given the way a lot of people have reacted to the current situation, I struggle to see how any of them would be able to handle civil unrest on a wide scale. Be careful what you wish for is my take on that.

@gallbladderpain

I have a CEV child (and siblings of this child) who have been 'locked away' for an entire year now. The only contact outside our house has been with medical professionals. Pre Covid my child lived a normal life, they went to school and to look at them as an outsider they are completely 'normal', you would never be able to tell them apart from 'healthy' kids. So forgive me if i really don't care that your children who have been to school September - December and no doubt were playing even if it was only outdoors with other kids over the summer and have probably been able to see some relatives are now having to stay at home for a few weeks.

So ..... because your kid is CEV and miserable, everyone elses kids must also be miserable, so its 'fair'.

Sorry. I understand you are angry and fed up, but that's illogical, and wishing your misery on others so we are all equally as miserable is a sad thing.

@LaMarschallin

Sooo....

Having posed a question (and having been asked what I expect from it) is there an answer?

Would the majority of people be happy with being able to mix freely with family and friends but accept that public gatherings for education, entertainment, eating and/or drinking, sport, travel etc would be limited for an unknown period?

If civil unrest is the answer, how would you go about it and what would you expect the result to be?

Yes I would be very happy with that. That is exactly what I want at the moment.

People can write to their MPs, stop wearing face masks, see family, travel for non essential purposes etc.
The more people that do it, the more the government will get a consensus that people aren't going to follow the rules which could impact their future decisions.

And I’m not a civil unrest kind of person. I’ll quietly go about my life seeing my friends and family whilst sticking the all the other rules.

[quote Cloudsurfing]@gallbladderpain my child is too young to be at school. She hasn’t yet met most of her family and won’t have the opportunity to interact with other children like the older ones will when schools open. So yes I will be seeing family and friends and letting her have that interaction. I’m sorry about your child, it must be very difficult and not nice for any of you but surely you can see that It’s not fair that all other children suffer too? And you didn’t answer my question, did you care and do anything about other children who are vulnerable to other illnesses before covid existed?[/quote]
Yes actually I did care ! I have done many small things to try and help and I've always been utterly disgusted at the people who send sick kids to school putting others more vunerable at high risk even prior to my own DC and because i've always had compassion for those more vunerable than myself be that child or adult whether that be health or any number of ways which makes them more vunerable, but unfortunately as one person as much as I would love to I cannot change the world.

@JaninaDuszejko

I am getting fed up with my neighbours seeing their families all the bloody time. I've not seen my Mum or sister or brother or cousin or Aunt or Uncle since the summer of 2019. It's looking increasingly like we won't get to see them this year either thanks to the pandemic and the restrictions to travel (my family live on an island with no cases so are strict about entry). The thought of it being 3 years or more before I can see my family because of all the selfish rulebreaking is awful. It's like a bereavement, that ache when you want to see someone and know it isn't going to happen.

Why do you say it's because of selfish rule breaking? Why are you not blaming transmission in workplaces, schools, hospitals, shops etc? Why only rule breaking? You do know that a large number of people with covid don't even know that they have it so could pass it on by doing things that are well within the rules?

Tbh this kind of sounds like sour grapes to me. You're pissed off that other people are seeing their family but you can't see yours because it's pretty much impossible. I'd bet that if your family lived a 10 minute walk away you'd be seeing them or at least considering it by this point.

I've noticed that a lot of posters who complain about rule breakers say something along the lines of "selfish idiots not sticking to the rules while I haven't seen my family in months". I always translate it in my head to "I'm so pissed off that they are seeing their family but I can't see mine because I've made such a bloody fuss about the rules that I'd look like a hypocrite now if I break them".

I will go to my best friends house, play with her kids, order a takeaway and watch a movie.
I'll go to my mum and dads, have lunch or dinner and just generally hang out together - get takeaway, go for walks etc.

Yes I would be very happy with that. That is exactly what I want at the moment.

Which is fair enough and I'm sure that's not an unusual opinion by any means.
Maybe it would be useful if a study could be done to see if that was feasible and, if so, how long the "unknown period" (weeks, months, years) would be.

@gallbladderpain ok that’s great. I will promise to not send my child to nursery or school when she’s unwell. I will no keep her locked up when she’s well though.

@TwirpingBird I actually don't wish that for these kids at all. I actually am not a fan of lockdowns and particularly school closers. I do feel though that in the situation we are in right now it is neccessary and we should all just try a little harder to get through it and we should maybe look to make some compromises so normality particularly schools can return for these children as quickly and safely as possible. I believe we could have avoided having children in this situation for starters had schools been opened in a more sustainable way that prevented the in and out situation that has presented, but right at this present moment the stricter restrictions in place have been in place for a short time and hopefully will begin to be lifted in a few weeks again and what i can't deal with is the dramatics about this current situation when it's short term there have been opportunities for restbite between restrictions allbeit with social distancing in place, but people have been allowed to meet up and socialise and tbh having to sit 2m away from someone isn't the end of the world for now (i'll acknowledge in a small number of areas that hasn't been the case)

Will everyone’s family and friends follow your instructions to interact though?? This is the question! What if they say no thanks?

I mostly want to see family.

However, I have been made aware of the existence of an undercover hairdresser in my area and I am tempted.

What if they say no thanks?

Well obviously you can’t force people to see you. My parents are on board however.

@MrsMercedes

Will everyone’s family and friends follow your instructions to interact though?? This is the question! What if they say no thanks?

Lots of mine will. We already have a date to see my in-laws and and discussed with other family and friends. I respect the decision of any which don’t want to though and will see them when they decide they want to.

I love my daughters and miss them.
But I'd rather get this over with sooner without hugs rather than later.

But what is sooner? This has been going on for nearly a year now and we still can't see family and and friends. Most of my family are elderly and don't have years to wait to see people.