So, what are you going to do?

[LaMarschallin]

To the people who are saying they won't stand this any longer:

What exactly do you plan to do?

March on the streets?

Run out of your house and hug your family?

Not wear masks?

Because you can't go to the cinema, theatre, festivals, shops, libraries, cafes, pubs, send your children to school, see beauticians etc without the government's say so.

I'm just interested to know what the alternative is to trying to keep the infection rate down is.

Can't find the bees article now, but this one sums it up

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/11/ministers-backtrack-on-advice-only-children-without-gardens-can-play-outside

Control freakery, they actually do think they control us now

@marieantoinehairnet

Can't find the bees article now, but this one sums it up

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/11/ministers-backtrack-on-advice-only-children-without-gardens-can-play-outside

Control freakery, they actually do think they control us now

They can try control us all they like. Unless they have police standing inside playgrounds we can do what we want. They dont have the enforcement ability.

I have organised to meet my friend today at a playground. We used to have playdates every week pre pandemic but havent seen each other in months. We each have a toddler and a baby. We wont be policing our children with social distancing.

1.5% of 67million is 1,000,5000 not 1,500,000

The way it is going with added deaths because of Covid and lockdowns and the final death toll through Covid it is not going to be far off that figure.
I thought the Covid death rate was 1% 670,000 if we didn’t do anything anyway

Yes but nobody ever suggested that all 67 million people would contract covid. The fatality rate is based on 1.5% of people who have the virus, not on the 1.5% of the population.

And it’s also an average. The fatality rate will be much higher than 1.5% of people aged 100, for example.

People quite statistics without understanding basic maths (and I’m not that good at maths!). There’s also a difference between infection fatality rate and case fatality rate, but i still can’t arrive at 1.5 million deaths.

No one tells me what do. I’m seeing my family and friends in large groups so fuck the long term consequences. And if this means it exacerbates virus transmission and then the virus mutates beyond vaccine efficacy and we end up back in winter lockdowns every year then so be it. Because my needs are greater than anyone else’s....🙄

Yes, that’s exactly what everyone thinks, hyper.

Nobody can weigh up any risks, at all. Nobody can apply a bit of logic and think for themselves without the government instructing them. Everyone has large groups of family and friends, all willing to socialise.

🙄🙄

give my dm a hug?

@Hyperfish101

No one tells me what do. I’m seeing my family and friends in large groups so fuck the long term consequences. And if this means it exacerbates virus transmission and then the virus mutates beyond vaccine efficacy and we end up back in winter lockdowns every year then so be it. Because my needs are greater than anyone else’s....🙄

Oh ye! I am all about the massive family gatherings and meeting 12 friends for a party 🙄

No. I will meet my inlaws when they get their vaccine. I am meeting my friend today at a (usually) empty local playground so our toddlers can run around and we get a conversation standing more than 2ms apart. I have brains in my head. I cam be sensible about this. I am DONE with people judging me for a conversation when they work and speak to people every day. I go whole weeks without speaking to another adult 11 hours a day. Go ahead. Judge me as a granny killer. I am doing it anyway.

It’s not about individual risk taking though is it? We’re not being asked to make our own risk assessment to manage the long term impact.

Anyway I was being flippant because the OP question was inevitably going to produce the kind of response I posted.

@Hyperfish101

It’s not about individual risk taking though is it? We’re not being asked to make our own risk assessment to manage the long term impact.

Anyway I was being flippant because the OP question was inevitably going to produce the kind of response I posted.

It used to be about collective sacrifice to achieve something. Now it's about endless misery. They keep changing the goalposts. One look at the news this morning shows they are now saying this summer may be worse than last summer. My DD has spent half her life being with nobody except me and DH. I am finished suffering and waiting for permission to speak to someone. I dont care anymore. I am genuinely numb. So I am, for the first time in a year, choosing me and my family.

It’s genuinely scary the amount of people that just want to be told what to do and to sacrifice their lives and the lives of their children for the end goal of what? Covid is endemic now and we have to live with it, once the vulnerable are vaccinated we must move on and yes individually risk assess, mutations have been happening during bloody lockdown, it’s what viruses DOOOOOOO

The covid fatality rate is roughly 1% or a bit less in developed countries. In developing countries it's 0.23%. That's 600,000 deaths if everyone came in contact with Covid and contracted it. In fact, there is no scenario under which all people will be infected. The disease just isn't that transmissible, some people live in the Outer Hebrides etc. There are also people (even leaving aside the question of the vaccine) who have infection-acquired or natural immunity.

The original estimate of deaths if we did nothing was 250,000. So by having a 1 year lockdown, we've managed to cut them roughly in half. Hopefully.

(Never mind about all the other deaths from other diseases, now and to come, cos they're obviously meaningless data.)

Btw, the observed case fatality rate in the UK at the moment is about 3%. At the beginning the pandemic it was 14%. That's a) because most people with Covid don't present as a case and b) because the most vulnerable and elderly people (eg in care home, people requiring daily dialysis etc) have already, sadly, died.

The thing I miss most is going to my gym! They re-opened for one day after Christmas on the 4th of January, then closed again the next day due to lockdown! It's too cold & slippy to go running outside at the moment, so not getting enough exercise .

I really don't understand people, their selfishness and downright stupidity. So most of you plan to meet up with family & friends in the spring? Even if we are still being asked not to?

Can you not see that we are where we are now in no small part BECAUSE people had to see friends and family at Xmas?

Can you not see that it's exactly because of the lack of patience that so many are currently infected (well over 100,000people are ill at the moment), by getting together with others you will feed the virus again. Numbers will go up, and we will be back at stage one.

If you love your family and friends don't infect them. Remember you don't have to be symptomatic to be infectious. The vaccine I sent 100% effective, and won't necessarily prevent infection, just hopefully reduce symptoms.

@SallyB392

I really don't understand people, their selfishness and downright stupidity. So most of you plan to meet up with family & friends in the spring? Even if we are still being asked not to?

Can you not see that we are where we are now in no small part BECAUSE people had to see friends and family at Xmas?

Can you not see that it's exactly because of the lack of patience that so many are currently infected (well over 100,000people are ill at the moment), by getting together with others you will feed the virus again. Numbers will go up, and we will be back at stage one.

If you love your family and friends don't infect them. Remember you don't have to be symptomatic to be infectious. The vaccine I sent 100% effective, and won't necessarily prevent infection, just hopefully reduce symptoms.

So if it’s selfish to see them in spring and you think the vaccine isn’t effective then when is it you suggest we can see our family and friends? Never? I’m sure yours will be delighted to hear it.

I would stick to being outdoors or verging on it: extreme ventilation is the way I'm going.

My issue is the order in Scotland to stay within arbitrary local areas. I have no close family or friend to see inside "my" area!

I recall when this started an Italian family who had a get together, just a family dinner. Last I heard their were only two alive and one was described as beyond help. I personally couldn't live with the survivors guilt. And yes I have mentioned this story before and got roasted for it.

Tizimi
Clear some path of snow and get skipping. Good enough for boxer's

Tzimi
I meant

I really don't understand people, their selfishness and downright stupidity. So most of you plan to meet up with family & friends in the spring? Even if we are still being asked not to?

Yup. That's exactly what I am going to do.

Also, you say seeing people is what has us in a bad position. Most people have spent this winter seeing nobody. The virus still spread, because people are working. We are going to KEEP being asked to work and see nobody. They are extending this expectation from 12 weeks last march, to summer, to winter, to this spring, now into summer, and whitty has already said next winter will see more lockdowns. This isnt ending. They will never give us permission to see family, because the virus isnt going away, ever. Its here now. We have two choices; sit in forever, or take the risk. I have sat in, lost my mind, done my best and they keep moving the goalposts and expecting me to constantly be 'patient'. Well, my patience officially expires this spring. Patience isnt endless, but their lockdown plans are. I am making my own goalposts now. I am not losing more years of my children's childhood. I am never getting this time back. That makes me selfish. I am completely ok with that. I have spent the last year doing what I am told. I have done my bit

My nail / beauty technician will start working in March if the schools open - she is self employed, a single mother with no recourse to public funds on her residence permit and she has zero other sources of income. She won't be able to pay for their housing or food otherwise, all savings gone already. And no, she's not flippant about covid - she's a qualified nurse in her previous life abroad - but she and her child also need to eat.
Sometimes people who have comfortable lives, jobs that can be done remotely and a welfare safety net really need to look outside their own bubble.

Sometimes people who have comfortable lives, jobs that can be done remotely and a welfare safety net really need to look outside their own bubble.

This.

@Ddot Ha ha, well, I'd have to learn to skip first! The snow is already melting a bit, and besides I can still go for walks. It's a shame about the gym though, it's just a small group of 6 people who go at that particular time slot, so it's not crowded at all. Everyone's good at wiping down the equipment after use and keeping a distance from the other gym bunnies...

@SallyB392

I really don't understand people, their selfishness and downright stupidity. So most of you plan to meet up with family & friends in the spring? Even if we are still being asked not to?

Can you not see that we are where we are now in no small part BECAUSE people had to see friends and family at Xmas?

Can you not see that it's exactly because of the lack of patience that so many are currently infected (well over 100,000people are ill at the moment), by getting together with others you will feed the virus again. Numbers will go up, and we will be back at stage one.

If you love your family and friends don't infect them. Remember you don't have to be symptomatic to be infectious. The vaccine I sent 100% effective, and won't necessarily prevent infection, just hopefully reduce symptoms.

What hysterical nonsense. The majority on here don’t understand you either so..

Tzimi
Were their is a will their is a way.
My niece broke her foot so couldnt exorcise. Until that is she discovered sofa cycling. Lay on your back, feet in the air and peddle like a demon. 🤣best to put cushion on your face to avoid dental bill. Just saying