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WHO report: covid likely not from Wuhan

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PicsInRed · 09/02/2021 16:40

Covid not from Wuhan, not there before December 2019 and may even have been imported into Wuhan/China in frozen food.

Definitely, 100% not from a lab but may have mutated bit by bit and crossed different animals and borders whilst doing so in order to reach the current covid we know and love.

So there ya go. Hmm

www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55996728

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Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 12/02/2021 21:02

WHO backtracks on Covid Wuhan lab www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9254793/WHO-backtracks-Covid-Wuhan-lab.html?ito=native_share_article-masthead

PicsInRed · 12/02/2021 21:25

[quote Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum]WHO backtracks on Covid Wuhan lab www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9254793/WHO-backtracks-Covid-Wuhan-lab.html?ito=native_share_article-masthead[/quote]
Benny Hill would be so proud of The Who and their cracking comedy.

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Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 12/02/2021 21:29

Does anyone think that as they had to give a press conference from China before they left they were pressured into things

If I was in WHO and still in China I would bloody not be saying that lab could be involved. Same goes if it was Russia or north Korea.

Lweji · 14/02/2021 09:02

It describes how the only native bats are found around 600 miles away from the Wuhan seafood market and that the probability of bats flying from Yunnan and Zhejiang provinces was minimal

Bunny Hill would be so proud of the Daily Fail more like it. GrinConfused

The WHO will have presented a nice version of their opinions while in China, of course.

However, there is a difference between human-made and leaked out of a lab. They initially said that it was not likely that it was human made.

They also said in China, and it seems a fair consensus, that the virus didn't cross the species barrier in the market, possibly not even in Wuhan. The market was where it spread the most, leading to it being identified.
I don't think anyone has considered the market as origin of the outbreak for quite a while now. I'm going to say a year or so.

Also, the known closest sequences to this virus may be from that bat cave, but they are not close enough to be considered the true origin.
There's very little coverage of animal viruses, including in China, and finding the true source will require quite a lot of field work and many samples tested.

Lweji · 14/02/2021 09:02

Benny, fgs.

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 14/02/2021 10:03

WHO’s China Research Trip Ends With More Questions Than Answers

chinadigitaltimes.net/2021/02/whos-china-research-trip-ends-with-more-questions-than-answers/

During a press conference that marked the end of the World Health Organization’s 12-day China-based investigation into the coronavirus’ origins, WHO experts seemingly ruled out the possibility of a lab leak, instead asserting that the disease likely crossed into humans from animals. Establishing the virus’ origin is critical for future pandemic preventionn, yet the Chinese government delayed the WHO’s investigation for over a yearr. When Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison called for a WHO investigation in April 2020, the Chinese government launched a trade war against Australiaa and released a set of “14 disputes,” one of which was the call for an independent COVID-19 investigationn. The Chinese government has placed significant restrictions on internal coronavirus researchh, even mandating that all medical research undergo government audit before publicationn. In recent weeks, Chinese foreign policy officials have claimed, without evidence, that the coronavirus was imported into China on frozen foodd. The opacity of the WHO’s investigation—team members did not give detailed interviews nor did they publish a schedule of their research itineraryy—did nothing to dispel skepticism about the rigor of their work.

DNHandTNS · 14/02/2021 10:06

Well they do eat a lot of wierder animals than bats in China.

ShanghaiDiva · 14/02/2021 10:11

@DNHandTNS

Well they do eat a lot of wierder animals than bats in China.
Really? Such as?
StormzyinaTCup · 14/02/2021 10:20

I always think of Karl Pilkington from a few years ago when this comes up - warning not for the faint hearted

o8O8O8o · 14/02/2021 11:23

The speed force and magnitude of China's cover-up efforts make them look very guilty indeed👀
Nothing to hide .....nothing to fear eh China 🤔

derxa · 14/02/2021 11:26

Most of our meat is halal Nonsense.

ShanghaiDiva · 14/02/2021 13:39

@o8O8O8o

The speed force and magnitude of China's cover-up efforts make them look very guilty indeed👀 Nothing to hide .....nothing to fear eh China 🤔
What does China have to fear? It’s the only major economy to report economic growth in 2020 and will overtake the US as the world’s largest economy by 2028.
o8O8O8o · 14/02/2021 13:45

What does China have to fear
If the rest of the world views China as being to blame for the pandemic.... Would that not be a bad thing for China?

o8O8O8o · 14/02/2021 13:47

.... on top of the other bad publicity, concentration camps, enforced organ transplants etc

ShanghaiDiva · 14/02/2021 13:48

@o8O8O8o

What does China have to fear If the rest of the world views China as being to blame for the pandemic.... Would that not be a bad thing for China?
A loss of face, certainly but will that affect their status as an economic superpower?
ShanghaiDiva · 14/02/2021 13:52

@o8O8O8o

.... on top of the other bad publicity, concentration camps, enforced organ transplants etc
But how are these negative reports affecting China? I am in no way condoning what happens in Xinjiang province, but negative publicity means nothing without consequences. What are the consequences for China?
Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/02/2021 14:38

If the rest of the world views China as being to blame for the pandemic ... on top of the other bad publicity, concentration camps, enforced organ transplants etc
Would that not be a bad thing for China?

Only if the regime gave a stuff what the rest of the world thinks, and they very evidently don't ... a position made easier when the money's still rolling in and they're able to spare their peoples' blushes by controlling what information they're able to access

Cornettoninja · 14/02/2021 14:43

@o8O8O8o

.... on top of the other bad publicity, concentration camps, enforced organ transplants etc
Quite honestly no country is going to do more than tut and shake their head as long as they keep it within their own borders, recent history (since WW2) is littered with atrocities that have passed by with barely a nod from countries with no stake in the country committing them.

The only way China is falling out of the world superpower category is if it implodes itself.

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 14/02/2021 14:53

We must all note that much of the world's ills are that ie global. Not so much a case of what about this or that - but including mainland China the world has many under or unreported issues. There are wars and conflicts as well as even Ebola and other diseases. Much due to corruption as much as incompetent and hate.

What the west conveniently ignores are not so much what happens in mainland China, Xinjiang, Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan and Macao but also how global the world has become (not just global medical pandemics) but why there are such a variance of moral standards when for instance western technology and weapons of mass destruction are openly sold to facilitate killing throughout the world not just flagship big ticket Saudi Arabia arms sales and ongoing proxy wars etc.

Mainland China will just point back and argue at least their new world colonialism is not like the historical brutal western version. Recent (UN justice proven) illegal western invasions of several Middle East and North Africa sovereign nations killing millions and destroying the economy and environment are not lessons we are learning from as we continue to supply the tools for this carry on. It's all a "touch" hypocritical!

The USA will continue to dominate and with their influence and military might throughout the globe dictating regime change as a de facto part of their continued sphere of influence while China carve out its global sphere of influence otherwise known as the belt and road cooperative trading pact. A bit like a global version of EU27 or Trans-Pacific Partnership.

Everyone should examine themselves first for morality and lectures - but sure starting in mainland China is as good a starting point as any.

CutePixie · 14/02/2021 19:53

@CrackOpenTheGin

It’s in all the mainstream media and China is pretty well known for its human rights abuses...Do you really think that a country like that, where life is so cheap, would think twice about silencing people for their own gain?

You could apply this statement to many countries. Censorship is happening in many Western countries, blocking the voices of those who question the government (either through jail time or blocking people’s social media accounts). Our human rights are currently being abused. A more extreme level of human rights abuse is the mass cover up of wealthy paedophiles (Royal family, BBC stars, MPs etc) and child trafficking.

Andante57 · 14/02/2021 22:17

You could apply this statement to many countries

That is true cutepixie so since criticism of any country can be cancelled out by another - viz.” how could you go on holiday to Dubai with its appalling human rights?”
“You went to Cuba so you have no right to criticise me” etc etc.
In which case there’s no point ever criticising countries with human rights violations as such criticism can always be trumped.

Incidentally, cutepixie, apart from Cyril Smith, which MPs have been paedophiles?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/02/2021 22:26

apart from Cyril Smith, which MPs have been paedophiles?

We'll probably never know. Apparently there was once a dossier on this, but - quelle surprise - it was "lost": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_paedophile_dossier

As ever, covering up unwelcome news isn't exclusive to China's regime ...

caspersmagicaljourney · 15/02/2021 18:19

@ilikemethewayiam

Rename W.H.O to W.T.F

That about sums it up!

Haha that made me smile - thanks 🤣
RickiTarr · 28/02/2021 23:53

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