WHO report: covid likely not from Wuhan

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Covid not from Wuhan, not there before December 2019 and may even have been imported into Wuhan/China in frozen food.

Definitely, 100% not from a lab but may have mutated bit by bit and crossed different animals and borders whilst doing so in order to reach the current covid we know and love.

So there ya go.

www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55996728

You mess with animals, they mess you back, ten fold.
Covid
Aids
And many many more

@DNHandTNS

“It is definitely from ASIA but not necessarily China. The cruise ship was doing a tour of Asia.”

With all the references to Iceland I glanced at that and read ASDA .

It’s like the worst COVID cluedo - it was Asda who done it, in the frozen section with a pangolin.

But it was clearly going big in Wuhan first. The odd cases in Europe don't contradict that.

Well it certainly wouldn't be Waitrose!😏

OK, have a dear friend who is a virologist. He says, and this is his life's study, that unless space aliens with technology far more advanced than ours were working with the Chinese, they did not make or modify this virus. It just shows none of the tell-tale earmarks of a deliberately modified virus. He does NOT have an opinion on where it might have first occurred.

Second, viruses are not intelligent. All viruses mutate, most of them many, many times. Mutations that help the virus survive are the only ones we ever know about. For every mutation that is replicated, hundreds, even thousands, die out very quickly and are never known. And this happens QUICKLY. This may make the virus appear "intelligent," but it is only natural selection seen through a time-lapse photography lens, as it were.

COVID Not From Wuhan Lab Says WHO

Without conclusive proof you need to make rational judgements based on recent historical agreed and verifiable facts and ask yourself if material evidence is purposefully eliminated so that a creative version of events could officialised? And more so even if this is blatantly collusion untrustworthy untruthful and morally indefensible and an insult to the lost humanity and resulting collateral economic damage.

If the ice theory even makes sense then perhaps it would be challenging to invite the world to winter sporting events soon?

The theory that the virus came via pigs to humans does make sense, pigs eat virtually anything & if a pig ate an infected bat, pigs have very close to identical immune system & cell conditions as humans, China consumes more pig products per head than any other country in the world. They have lower food safety standards as well, it would have only taken infected pigs slaughtered to pass the virus up the food chain to humans.

Biggest cover up in history of world. This will end, and will become a story told to our descendants. Who knows if the truth will ever come out. The levels of corruption and cover ups know no bounds.
I witnessed soo many whilst working in NHS. Do you become a whistleblower and lose everything knowing people in power go unpunished. The poor drs who came forward in China and have never been seen again.
Unfortunately when power and greed come into play rules and human decency go out the window.
I feel sad that so many people are so trusting in their government that they believe everything they have been told.
Im no conspiracy theorist more the proverbial doubting thomas...if i dont see it with my own eyes then I question it.
Yes we are getting told by media and government all these things but already they have been caught lying.

My biggest surprise in all of this is that we have all been so compliant.

@Dinocan

Surely it’s not an either or situation. The WHO shouldn’t be parroting CCP propaganda, how can people trust them? That’s a worry for me. The fact it started in China and they clearly tried to cover it up at the beginning doesn’t take anything away from the fact that the U.K. government knew they were very ill prepared for a pandemic and failed to do anything about it. That was just the start of a massive list of errors, as we all know.

Apparently the UK government were very well prepared for a pandemic but for a flu one - they didn't anticipate the next one being a coronavirus one despite the warning signs from the SARs epidemic. Apparently the current vaccine rollout was part of those original plans which is why that bit has been a success.

"" The theory that the virus came via pigs to humans does make sense, pigs eat virtually anything & if a pig ate an infected bat, pigs have very close to identical immune system & cell conditions as humans, China consumes more pig products per head than any other country in the world.""

Is this why Matt Hancock has based his decisions on the film Contagion? Because that's what happened in the film.

Unless we and I include China in that, take on board our consumption and treatment of animals then we are just waiting for the next viral outbreak. But public health comes second to business, so nothing will be put in place to help prevent it.

@Mamanyt

OK, have a dear friend who is a virologist. He says, and this is his life's study, that unless space aliens with technology far more advanced than ours were working with the Chinese, they did not make or modify this virus. It just shows none of the tell-tale earmarks of a deliberately modified virus. He does NOT have an opinion on where it might have first occurred.

Second, viruses are not intelligent. All viruses mutate, most of them many, many times. Mutations that help the virus survive are the only ones we ever know about. For every mutation that is replicated, hundreds, even thousands, die out very quickly and are never known. And this happens QUICKLY. This may make the virus appear "intelligent," but it is only natural selection seen through a time-lapse photography lens, as it were.

Pretty much this.

Anything else is speculation.

I am utterly baffled that people with no knowledge of any molecular biology, viruses or epidemiology can be so sure about anything, without even knowing what the actual people who've done serious studies are saying.

I don't care about any WHO mission to China. It's a PR exercise.
I care about all the papers that have been published by independent and serious researchers. And I care to look at their methodology.

Many people on this thread should make more use of their time and go to their GP's office telling them how to do their job. Maybe even assist surgery at your local hospital. Or tell an engineer how to build a bridge.
No?

But you can absolutely state that the virus came from X or Y?

It is definitely from ASIA but not necessarily China. The cruise ship was doing a tour of Asia

TBH that doesn't necessarily exclude the possibility of Chinese origin

IME most asian cruises are packed with Chinese anyway, so who knows where the infected passengers were from

Rename W.H.O to W.T.F

That about sums it up!

Unless we and I include China in that, take on board our consumption and treatment of animals

I would like to see the whole world turn vegetarian (and one of the benefits of Brexit IMO is that because we’re no longer in the EU, we can now ban the cruel transportation of livestock abroad). But, that aside, I don’t understand why you say “we”. I mean, let’s not pretend that the UK is even in the same league as China when it comes to animal welfare. Some countries need to do a hell of a lot more than others to clean up their act on this.

Most of our meat is halal now which is barbaric. It can take upto ten minutes for a cow to die. Dairy is horrendous and raping pens for pigs, that give them nervous breakdowns but when you see bovine port holes in france now that is a vile practice. China do have a very bad animal treatment cooking dogs alive with blow torches is horrific but we need to check our own back yard first.

@ilikemethewayiam

Rename W.H.O to W.T.F

That about sums it up!

haha or WCO world coverup organization

Nonsense. WHO are in bed with China for funding.
Not fit for purpose and corrupt.
Should be renamed CHO as it clearly serves China not the World.

raping pens for pigs, that give them nervous breakdowns
pigs are very clever, we should not be torturing them, or any other animal:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56023720
(vegan speaking)

How about instead of UK going hard line dictatorial on enforced eating choices on food consumption - we in Britain can continue to choose a healthy balanced variety of foods including adopting highest suitable and appropriate agricultural standards. Post Brexvid we can enjoy our own fish and all other local and global sustainable and ethically sourced foods. There should be options eg UK welfare poultry or USA style chlorinated and hormonal beef etc. Foods originating from developing nation sources needs to adhere to British standards prior to export. Why is British meat halal? What is the difference and is this not just for certain minority demographics? Every nation has particular nuances and we should import the good and acceptable only. We should also sort out our agrifood sectors too. I understand certain types of fish farming is not particularly ethical as I am sure there are countless examples both here and internationally.

Incidentally would anyone be happy consuming lab grown meat? I don’t even like genetically modified and avoid when possible.

Food and pandemic issues open a massive can of worms! Perhaps something the Wuhan Health Organisation should investigate than pointless public relations excercises.

Man made and released intentionally, too much of a coincidence for it to be so close to the vial lab.
Certainly not from Bats or any other animal, unless you are a bit thick.

How can you decide which meat is humanly slaughtered when the government will not allow it to be labelled with the information you need

I'm going to say it again here as it needs repeating..

There is well documented and irrefutable proof that they were doing gain of function experiments with bat coronaviruses in the Wuhan Lab.

@Devlesko

Man made and released intentionally, too much of a coincidence for it to be so close to the vial lab. Certainly not from Bats or any other animal, unless you are a bit thick.

And would you describe yourself as quite good at science, in general...?

Why isn't anyone talking about the fact that this could be a biological attack from an extra-terrestrial civilisation? The Earth is right in the middle of space, which is where aliens live - coincidence??

This could be the next official explanation.