WHO report: covid likely not from Wuhan

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Covid not from Wuhan, not there before December 2019 and may even have been imported into Wuhan/China in frozen food.

Definitely, 100% not from a lab but may have mutated bit by bit and crossed different animals and borders whilst doing so in order to reach the current covid we know and love.

So there ya go.

www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55996728

These discussions are pointless, they just degenerate into the 2 extreme positions slinging insults at each other.

I don’t believe in gambling nor fate but facts.

However if there are hypothetical decent betting odds available I will place my imaginary bet on Wuhan lab gain of function experiments leakage as main pandemic cause! I think this is what people in mainland China believe (if allowed to speak openly) and so why they have personally taken all mitigation measures seriously and managed to initially procure all the PPE globally while the outside world, apart from nearby Taiwan and Hong Kong, was taking this really seriously proactively and not like the UK arguing about personal freedoms over potential fatalities and nonsensical anti mask stupidity etc.

Blaming pigs really, pork is always well cooked due to possible parasite.

@CrackOpenTheGin

I will always believe it came from that lab. What are the chances of a pandemic starting close to a virus institute and all those scientists were killed to keep something quiet.

Yes just like we in the UK created mad cow disease in a lab to poison the EU and US. Obvious init

Cows are evil

They probably made the disease themselves

@LastTrainEast.
This is not a gotcha, I honestly can't remember.
Was there a cover up at any level?
Was there political pressure brought to bear?

I cant see how there wouldn't be, when the stakes are so high.
I can see how my comment might be looked at as pushing one narrative but I dont mean it like that

It’s like the worst COVID cluedo - it was Asda who done it, in the frozen section with a pangolin.

It was Lady Gaga's mum, wielding a frozen bat in the virus research lab.

I don't care about any WHO mission to China. It's a PR exercise.

While the outcome of this trip has been predictably dissatisfactory it was not a PR exercise.

WHO spent pretty much a whole year negotiating their way into China and additional pressure was put on them when the World Health Assembly (WHO's governing body, made up of representatives from all member states including the UK) passed a resolution demanding an independent investigation into the origins of the virus.

From that point on, WHO had a legal obligation to go to China and do their best to investigate, even while it was already clear that such a trip was unlikely to turn up anything new because of the secrecy of the Chinese government.

WHO cannot go against the WHA and they cannot just tear up the international health regulations. They have to abide by international law. If you don't like the way WHO are doing things then you need to get onto Chris Whitty - that's who the World Health Assembly has elected to represent the UK.

apps.who.int/gb/gov/en/composition-of-the-board_en.html

So pointless box ticking then?

From that point on, WHO had a legal obligation to go to China and do their best to investigate, even while it was already clear that such a trip was unlikely to turn up anything new because of the secrecy of the Chinese government.

Well, yes, PR exercise.

What I do hope is that the WHO envoys did manage to get some info that wasn't shared publically. But I doubt it.

I do think China already has enough data about the origin of the virus, or would have if they wanted it. They won't share it, though, unless it unequivocally demonstrated that it wasn't in China. So, conclude what you want.

What we do know, and this is the most important part, is that it's a zoonotic virus that has crossed to humans. We already knew that from other coronaviruses and warnings had been made.
And we do know that our surveillance systems and public health systems were not prepared for anything like this.

Those are the lessons for the future.
Monitoring and preparedness.

The details of who was patient one or which species we got it from, are interesting but unlikely to be of use for future threats.

Regarding mad cow disease I still can’t believe they fed cow brains to cows though. Definitely messing with nature and you wonder which animal scientist came up with that clever idea.

Like I said you mess with animals, mess u back ten fold.
Nature will always fight back.
Humans are a plague on earth, me included

@stairway

Regarding mad cow disease I still can’t believe they fed cow brains to cows though. Definitely messing with nature and you wonder which animal scientist came up with that clever idea.

I was telling ds about this last year. He was like “what, they thought it was a good idea to feed cows to grass eating cows”

Yes my dear. They did!!!

It’s crazy isn’t it. And then the name reflected that.

It makes perfect sense to feed cows with leftovers from other cows. The feed also included products from sheep, who do develop a similar disease (scrapie).
The extra protein boosts growth.
It made perfect sense.

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum

Cows are evil

They probably made the disease themselves

Well it's a hell of a coincidence, isn't it. A virus CALLED mad cow disease, which just HAPPENS to infect the one animal with the same name? And I've always thought it very suspicious that the finger of blame pointed everywhere but at the cows themselves.

Plus the scientist who identified it (Hans Gerhard Creutzfeldt) died just 44 years later. Silenced?

They had Swine Flu and bird flu in China at the same time as covid outbreak. So, there might be a connection.

It's like the people who entered Tutankhamen's tomb uninvited.

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum

Cows are evil

They probably made the disease themselves

Amen. The lot of them deserve to be made into beef burgers. I don’t trust cows at all.

Who believes WHO?

@DNHandTNS

They had Swine Flu and bird flu in China at the same time as covid outbreak. So, there might be a connection.

They also have the plague, at various points.

It's a big country.

But I am very interested in how you think any type of flu is associated with the covid outbreak.

@polyjuicepotion

Who believes WHO?

WHO knows?

There were a few questions about the Wuhan trip in tonight's press conference -