WHO report: covid likely not from Wuhan

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Covid not from Wuhan, not there before December 2019 and may even have been imported into Wuhan/China in frozen food.

Definitely, 100% not from a lab but may have mutated bit by bit and crossed different animals and borders whilst doing so in order to reach the current covid we know and love.

So there ya go.

www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55996728

So what would the implications be for China (and the rest of the world) if WHO report had found differently?

It’s probable that after a year they found nothing anyway. Alternatively, a cursory inspection could of been undertaken so as to be seen to be doing something and subsequently announcing/reporting ‘nothing to see here’ (for fear of the political shitstorm that would ensue).

As for frozen food 🤣🤣 if that’s the best they can come up with and that we’d buy into that then they must think we are prize idiots.

Trump got a lot wrong but on this I think he was right😮

They’ve been telling us that food, post, groceries etc carry virtually zero risk of Covid. But now we’re supposed to believe that the original virus was on frozen food? So are they now saying that food can transmit Covid and therefore isn’t safe?

I'm looking forward to Dr Maria Van Kerkhove's take on this. She's a world expert on zoonotic respiratory diseases and is extremely good at explaining the science.

What about Bat-gate? 🤣🤣 So now it came from minced frozen bat? O-K! However you dress it up, whether it was frozen or fresh the meat in those markets is well dodgy.

Minced frozen bat..sounds like the horsemeat scandal, on speed tbh.

Frozen food my arse.

The "Mum's Gone to Iceland" theory of viral origins.

🤣🤣 I suspect the truth is stranger than a lie

"all those scientists were killed to keep something quiet."

Please provide a proper link. Otherwise you are just feeding into conspiracy theories.

The lack of critical thinking on this thread is saddening (apart from @lljkk of course). Just because something is on the internet doesn't mean it should be automatically believed.

claws the only lack of critical thinking I can see if from someone who accepts anything the WHO said on its position re covid since January 2020

I think I'm more surprised that it isn't from Wuhan than it not being from a lab.

@Iflyaway

"all those scientists were killed to keep something quiet."

Please provide a proper link. Otherwise you are just feeding into conspiracy theories.

It’s in all the mainstream media and China is pretty well known for its human rights abuses. Scientists have come out and stated that they were threatened. The very first one who reported Covid 19 was arrested! Then made to withdraw his statement about it! Do you really think that a country like that, where life is so cheap, would think twice about silencing people for their own gain? The only conspiracy theory here is that Covid arrived in China on a pack of frozen peas

People on cruises were given large amounts of compensation to cover up their bad experiences

There are frequent disease outbreaks on cruise ships (noro being the commonest) and it is normal for the companies to pay compensation.

What I can’t understand is why governments seem to be going along with what appears to be a ‘show investigation’, when this virus has had such a profound impact worldwide.

That one of the WHO investigators is someone involved financially with the Wuhan Institute of Virology seems breathtakingly dodgy. I can see why the Chinese would prefer to have an investigator whose own position would be compromised by countenancing the possibility of a lab leak but why is it the case that the rest of the world are so seemingly accepting of an appointment that demonstrates a clear conflict of interests?

That one of the WHO investigators is someone involved financially with the Wuhan Institute of Virology seems breathtakingly dodgy.

www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/preposterous-77-nobel-laureates-blast-nih-decision-cancel-coronavirus-grant-demand

The only Chinese BSL4 studying bats coronaviruses is based in Wuhan. The same lab that participated in international studies of genetically modified coronaviruses.
While it's possible that Covid started somewhere else it's not probable.
Lab accidents happen and we cannot exclude human factor.
Local government tried hard to hide it and take under control until it was too late.

@HeadIsFucked

Not getting the jump from..lab leak...to man made? Those things are not the same thing, at all. I think the 'man made bioweapon' stuff is a little silly and without merit really. That does not mean I totally discount the lab thing though..

They were doing gain of function experiments on Bat coronaviruses in the Wuhan lab. For what purpose? who knows.

“Gain-of-function” is the euphemism for biological research aimed at increasing the virulence and lethality of pathogens and viruses. GoF research is government funded; its focus is on enhancing the pathogens’ ability to infect different species and to increase their deadly impact as airborne pathogens and viruses.

www.organicconsumers.org/blog/covid-19-reckless-gain-of-function-experiments-lie-at-the-root-of-the-pandemic

Here's a good article that sums it up.

claws the only lack of critical thinking I can see if from someone who accepts anything the WHO said on its position re covid since January 2020

Quite.

Yes but it wasn't noro that was responsible for people being carried off in body bags. Noro doesn't need hushing up. Everyone knows it exists. At the time this happened, no one knew about covid, except those Chinese Dr's who first recognised it.

Late Dec2019/early Jan 2020 I had a virus which ticked all the boxes for Covid; fever, cough, shortness of breath, loss of taste. I'm in my 30s and healthy, I have never known anything like it. I have the flu jab every year due to working in healthcare so it wasn't flu. It took me 6 weeks to fully get over it, during that time I was short of breath. GP diagnosed chest infection which and gave me antibiotics which didn't help. Now it could have just been a virus, but I know of several other people who had the same thing at the same time, who like me never had a problem with respiratory illnesses in the past. My theory is that Covid was already circulating globally at that time but in a less contagious form. It then mutated in Wuhan to become more contagious and that's when the pandemic started. I believe there was a case in France (I think?), identified in November 19 which adds weight to the case

The French case did have a wife who worked alongside Chinese nationals. It seems I. The early cases that I've seen discussed do seem to have arrived in Europe via China. But just earlier than initially thought.

My DH was the same. Had a 'chest infection' in November which was the worst he'd ever had, and being asthmatic he's had quite a few. He even considered going to hospital at one point as it was so bad, which is completely out of character. He also works alongside Chinese nationals.

You can see why no country wants to take responsibility! But at the end of the day, I struggle to see why it really matters where it originated. No western country with a history of colonisation is going to risk opening up debates and questions around reparations...

On top of that thorny question, there’s one of where those calls end. Does the emergence of the Kent variant, which accelerated the pandemic in countries like Germany, mean the UK should pay reparations to other countries? SA? Brazil?

@faerin

I think I'm more surprised that it isn't from Wuhan than it not being from a lab.

This isn’t thought to be the case though is it?

Still more likely it originated in Wuhan.