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Captain Sir Tom Moore: Cleric's apology for tweet condemning nationwide clap 'does not undo hurt'

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trulydelicious · 04/02/2021 13:21

news.sky.com/story/captain-sir-tom-moore-apology-for-tweet-condemning-clap-for-captain-tom-does-not-undo-hurt-12208212

It's worrying how some can harbour so much hate and still be allowed to hold a position in the Church (and fuel division through Twitter)

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drivinmecrazy · 04/02/2021 15:52

I think the most pertinent point about this is how Captain Tom has been represented and championed by the British media.
It speaks to me that racism exists far more in the media that many are being blinded by.
If it were a person of colour that had decided to walk around his garden to raise £100 for the NHS (his initial intention) he may have raised £150.
But because he fitted the media construct of British he was championed by the media.
A true hero is one who puts their own needs aside for the benefit of others.
Captain Tom (who I agree was able to do incredible things) did not intend this.
It's the hugely racist media who have created this storm and reinforced the idea that British means white.

I think many of you are either wildly ignorant or incredibly ignorant if you can't see this.
It's so sad to think we see an little old white man as some saint but won't accept they might not feel the same response had he been of colour

derxa · 04/02/2021 15:52

Captain Tom's daughter, Hannah, manages Maytrix, a company she co-founded, that focuses on recruitment, brand development and training for businesses. That could have had something to do with it. The others didn't stand a chance.
Or maybe an old man did a good thing and then sadly died. We pay him respects and leave his family alone to grieve in peace.

trulydelicious · 04/02/2021 15:53

@Radio4Rocks

I think you're just a GF here for some larks, OP

I started this thread because I find this whole situation outrageous and I want to express it and see what others think, that's all

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trulydelicious · 04/02/2021 15:54

@drivinmecrazy

racism exists far more in the media that many are being blinded by

Racism that goes both ways, if that's the case

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trulydelicious · 04/02/2021 15:54

None should be tolerated, that's the point

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MidSummersNightmare · 04/02/2021 15:55

I think he made a good point to be honest.

Meredithgrey1 · 04/02/2021 15:56

[quote trulydelicious]@PuzzledObserver

But I'm white, so maybe I don't see or experience things that black people do

Well, you soon will - if some opinions on this thread are anything to go by[/quote]
What does this even mean?

WagnerTheWehrWolf · 04/02/2021 15:56

[quote trulydelicious]@Radio4Rocks

I think you're just a GF here for some larks, OP

I started this thread because I find this whole situation outrageous and I want to express it and see what others think, that's all[/quote]
Nah you're goady. Your cheap jibe about Sikhism proved that.

Frodont · 04/02/2021 15:56

@MidSummersNightmare

I think he made a good point to be honest.
So do I, and its ridiculous to demand that everyone from all backgrounds and cultures sees Captain Tom as a saint.
trulydelicious · 04/02/2021 15:56

@drivinmecrazy

reinforced the idea that British means white

He happened to be white and did something that was commendable

Do you resent that? Should he be locked out of sight?

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trulydelicious · 04/02/2021 15:58

@Frodont

its ridiculous to demand that everyone from all backgrounds and cultures sees Captain Tom as a saint

Who is demanding anything? Those who feel like praising him for his actions should be free to do it, surely

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/02/2021 15:58

When that happens repeatedly (as it seems to be the case here), these leaders should be removed

I get the principle completely, but the trouble lies in what can happen when it's tried
No matter if it's the CofE or Joe's corner shop, most know just how hard it is to remove an unsuitable employee, and multiply that by ten if they come with protected characteristics

It's not for me to decide if this gentleman is unsuitable or not, but if that was found to be the case, does anyone imagine for an instant that he'd go quietly?

justanotherneighinparadise · 04/02/2021 15:58

And surely one of the reasons his walk went viral is because he was a war veteran doing a charitable walk around the time of VE Day?

Now many people now consider Churchill a symbol of racism. His statue was defaced during the BLM protests. A quick google throws up the following news article;

‘Churchill referred to British imperialism as being for the good of the “primitive” and “subject races”.

In 1937 he said: “I do not admit, for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to those people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, or, at any rate, a more worldly wise race, to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.”

Mr Churchill once said: “I hate Indians…they are beastly people with a beastly religion.”

He also referred to Palestinians as “barbaric hordes who ate little but camel dung”.

So I’m guessing that WW2 has a cloud hanging over it in terms of the racists beliefs of Churchill. Perhaps that then tarnishes the veterans of the war and perhaps that has some bearing on the offensive tweet.

username44416 · 04/02/2021 15:59

@drivinmecrazy

I think the most pertinent point about this is how Captain Tom has been represented and championed by the British media. It speaks to me that racism exists far more in the media that many are being blinded by. If it were a person of colour that had decided to walk around his garden to raise £100 for the NHS (his initial intention) he may have raised £150. But because he fitted the media construct of British he was championed by the media. A true hero is one who puts their own needs aside for the benefit of others. Captain Tom (who I agree was able to do incredible things) did not intend this. It's the hugely racist media who have created this storm and reinforced the idea that British means white. I think many of you are either wildly ignorant or incredibly ignorant if you can't see this. It's so sad to think we see an little old white man as some saint but won't accept they might not feel the same response had he been of colour
It must be a terrible burden being so progressive and above other people with their limited views.

A person of colour raised £150k which is pretty bloody amazing! Cpt Tom was an inspiring figure and inspired others to do the same. I see nothing wrong with admiring him for having fought in a bloody great war and then at 100, setting out to do something constructive.

People with an agenda will adopt anything to suit them.

cinammonbuns · 04/02/2021 15:59

@Glenchase actually that’s not the definition of racism. Google is free.

trulydelicious · 04/02/2021 16:00

@Puzzledandpissedoff

does anyone imagine for an instant that he'd go quietly

He surely wouldn't.

But at least he wouldn't be spouting hate in the name of the CoE trying to influence others (he would do it under his own name)

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drivinmecrazy · 04/02/2021 16:01

He set out to raise £100 how is that 'commendable'?
He only raised so much because the media caught his story and thought he fitted the perfect construct of British.
The nation was looking for a figure and the media chose him.
I stand by my point that anyone of colour would not and does not hold the same appeal to the media.
That's your fault and mine
Brexit is succeeding in building a new little Britain if MN is anything to go by!!

justanotherneighinparadise · 04/02/2021 16:01

Is a ‘person of colour’ an acceptable term? I thought that was racist.

roarfeckingroarr · 04/02/2021 16:01

@reformedcharacters

I’m baffled how showing appreciation for somebody who raised an astronomical amount of funds for the NHS could possibly be viewed as ‘white British Nationalism’, was it only white peoples who were grateful?
I don't get this either
cinammonbuns · 04/02/2021 16:03

So OP, you agree that racist people should be removed from positions of leadership?

What do you think about Boris Johnson Grin?

Whaddayathink · 04/02/2021 16:04

Didn't take long for the PR power to start kicking in to silence any dissent. Oh, and what does the daughter do? Hmm, PR in top PR firm. What a coincidence.

drivinmecrazy · 04/02/2021 16:04

username44416 you miss the point.
Captain Tom was a media construct because he was white. Had he been any other race we'd never of heard of him.

SophieGiroux · 04/02/2021 16:04

@Glenchase

Captain Sir Tom was an inspiring figure who raised funds for the NHS and raised spirits at a time when people were struggling. His skin colour is not relevant to that at all. The fact that this cleric has even brought race into the equation means that HE is the racist. Because he is unable to look past Captain Sir Tom’s skin colour to see that he was a brave gentleman and a figure of hope to EVERYONE.
Well said 👏🏼
trulydelicious · 04/02/2021 16:04

@drivinmecrazy

The nation was looking for a figure and the media chose him

And why should he not be chosen? What's so terribly wrong with him? Should he be discriminated against?

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trulydelicious · 04/02/2021 16:05

@drivinmecrazy

Captain Tom was a media construct because he was white. Had he been any other race we'd never of heard of him

That is just your (very prejudiced) opinion

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