Captain Sir Tom Moore: Cleric's apology for tweet condemning nationwide clap 'does not undo hurt'

[trulydelicious]

news.sky.com/story/captain-sir-tom-moore-apology-for-tweet-condemning-clap-for-captain-tom-does-not-undo-hurt-12208212

It's worrying how some can harbour so much hate and still be allowed to hold a position in the Church (and fuel division through Twitter)

@trulydelicious I have plenty of elderly people in my life who I love thanks. They don’t need me clapping after their death for them to know I love and respect them.

I don’t know this gentleman personally and I don’t like the way the British press runs with fetishistic obsessions with ‘characters’. The amount of news time given to him vs daily death figures and other matters of more importance and impact . It’s just a bit much.

@ElliFAntspoo at my trust, those in their final hours have had their family with them. Can’t speak nationally of course but this didn’t just happen for Captain Sir Tom

Genuinely struggling to understand the issue because a BRITISH man in BRITAIN making the headlines.
Am I missing something???
Would you all be outraged if a french man made the headlines in France? I think not!

You cannot 'make' somone popular
Of course you can!
That is LITERALLY the job of PR and agents!

@LadyWhistledownthe1st

struggling to understand the issue because a BRITISH man in BRITAIN making the headlines

Exactly. Some posters either need to get their heads checked or have an agenda (probably both)

@Mybeautifulwinycette

That is LITERALLY the job of PR and agents

If I saw Captain Tom down the street doing laps, at that age, in such good spirits and being so determined I would most probably take an instant liking to him.

In this case, PR is irrelevant to most people

@Puzzledandpissedoff

He just made a statement that was too nuanced for Twitter and our news-cycle

I'm not sure what's nuanced about a sweeping remark like “The cult of Captain Tom is a cult of white British nationalism”, when we're supposed to avoid generalising comments about race. He's clearly an intelligent and articulate man, and if he'd simply said it can encourage this I've no doubt most would have agreed with him - and quite rightly IMO

If he was Bob from B&Q nobody would care what he said or didn't say, but he's a trainee faith leader and that carries with it a responsibility - something which, for once, the church appear to have recognised

If his intention was to say "people who clap for Captain Tom are racist" he would have said that. It would have saved him a few characters. Despite the fact that he did not say that, that seems to be how people are taking it.

That is why I say it was too nuanced.

His comment was accurate and has been blown out of proportion

@ElliFAntspoo

This was a national PR exercise from start to finish

Assuming this was the case, why would it be so horrendous?

They have tried to keep people's morale up during very difficult times.

But of course some people's heads and hearts are full of hatred and would go to any lengths to try and taint it.

In this case, PR is irrelevant to most people
Nope, as it is literally their job to sway public opinion.

I do find the fetish for memorialising people rather odd

My Dad did 25 years in the army. He provided for a family and made life long friends. He lived and breathed army for all that time and still does. He correlates bravery and loyalty with being a soldier and has huge pride in the achievement of people who served. Many elderly people feel that way.

I think it's rather disgusting to describe that frame of mind as a "fetish".

[quote trulydelicious]@ElliFAntspoo

This was a national PR exercise from start to finish

Assuming this was the case, why would it be so horrendous?

They have tried to keep people's morale up during very difficult times.

But of course some people's heads and hearts are full of hatred and would go to any lengths to try and taint it.[/quote]
Are you on any of the 'hate filled' threads on here berating people who didn't want to clap?

@JesusInTheCabbageVan

I think it's pretty clear by now that this isn't about clapping

It was pretty clear from the start that it never was, for you

Isitftidayyet I keep asking this question and no one can answer.

My non white sisters joined in the clap, so are part of the group you think is ok to describe as "white nationalists".

Can you explain why you call them that?

Cos its really fucking racist from where were all sat.

@PheasantPlucker1

The whole country is in lockdown to protect the few elderly and vulnerable, and Ellie you see that as evidence we dont care?

I can not see how you got to that conclusion at all.

No.

The whole country is abandoning its old people to die alone in hospital and care homes, and they are a bunch of hypocrites for clapping and praising one self-entitled family who get to spend time with their loved one as he dies, because he has been adopted by the media as a PR stooge.

That is the worst type of hypocrisy, because the hypocrites are not even being honest with themselves about what they are cheering for. They are doing what their TV has told them to be. I am sure those who have loved ones who died alone and those who have loved ones who they have abandoned to the care system can be overjoyed that one person managed to holiday in the Bahamas, and should ask themselves why they have not moved heaven and earth to help their mothers and fathers, after all they did for them over the past 70 or 80 years.

Fantasic.

Are you sure all those nurses, care workers and doctors out clapping actually got a week annual leave in december to holiday in the Bahamas though? The ones pictured in the article?

Cos it sounds like youre making up pure shit to defend your bigoted opinion of everyone who clapped.

[quote trulydelicious]@ElliFAntspoo

This was a national PR exercise from start to finish

Assuming this was the case, why would it be so horrendous?

They have tried to keep people's morale up during very difficult times.

But of course some people's heads and hearts are full of hatred and would go to any lengths to try and taint it.[/quote]
Because it is deliberately divisive and hypocritical. You use one individual and give him and his family special treatment to hide the pain and suffering of thousands of who are dead and dying alone with no hope of seeing their ones ones again. And the muppets who clap because their TVs have told them to, don't give a F about anyone else who hasn't been given special privilege, don't question why others are not allowed contact with their family or are only allowed to say goodbye over an iPad screen. And all because they need to have a bit of a jolly and aren't willing to accept the reality of what is happening in the real world outside of their doors all across the country.

[quote LadyWhistledownthe1st]@ElliFAntspoo at my trust, those in their final hours have had their family with them. Can’t speak nationally of course but this didn’t just happen for Captain Sir Tom[/quote]
Well that is a ray of hope for some or us. Well done to your part of the UK for that little piece of dignity and compassion.
No, it is not the case across the country.
Nor is it the case in a lot of our hospitals.

@PheasantPlucker1

Isitftidayyet I keep asking this question and no one can answer.

My non white sisters joined in the clap, so are part of the group you think is ok to describe as "white nationalists".

Can you explain why you call them that?

Cos its really fucking racist from where were all sat.

Noone is answering because it's a pointless baiting question. The tweet did not say that people who clap are white nationalists, I did not say that, the poster you quoted did not say that. If you want the question answered, you need to ask someone who called them white nationalists first.

There was nothing hateful about his tweet.

He deleted it promptly and offered an unreserved apology.

He is now being bombarded with racist and homophobic abuse.

Unlike other (white) high profile figures who also did not support the idea of clapping.

This is a hateful thread.

DedlyMeledy the tweet referred to the clap as a "cult of white nationalists".

You agree with that. So who exactly are you calling white nationalists, if not the people who were clapping and the Tom Moore fans?

@Tal45

He didn't say 'it's terrible that Capt Tom's name is being used by certain right wing groups to push their agenda'. That I'd have no problem with, instead he chose to tar everyone with the same brush which is just plain wrong.

This.

@JesusInTheCabbageVan

It appears it's not the first time he sends hateful tweets. And that is worrying also

Exactly.