Captain Sir Tom Moore: Cleric's apology for tweet condemning nationwide clap 'does not undo hurt'

[trulydelicious]

news.sky.com/story/captain-sir-tom-moore-apology-for-tweet-condemning-clap-for-captain-tom-does-not-undo-hurt-12208212

It's worrying how some can harbour so much hate and still be allowed to hold a position in the Church (and fuel division through Twitter)

Also no one is saying everyone who claps is racist or a white, British nationalist
That is literally what the cleric said in his tweet. “The cult of Captain Tom is a cult of white British nationalism”. Supporters of Captain Tom are supporters of white British nationalism. If you clap for Captain Tom you’re a white British nationalist. That is exactly what he said.

It’s horrifying that people are defending racism on this thread. We just wouldn’t have that if the perpetrator of this was a white person.

@Frodont

I hate this (the fetishism of the 2nd ww)

Ok, so Captain Tom's efforts should be put down because he risked his life during WW2 so that we can enjoy the country we have today thanks to people like him.

It's all crystal clear to me now...you are making sense

@trulydelicious

The cult of Captain Tom is a cult of White British Nationalism

I think someone who tweeted this should be stripped of their position of Church leadership

Very dangerous and offensive message

What's 'dangerous' about it?

He said quite clearly that he respected the man for what he did and, in keeping with his vocation, would pray for his soul.

The problem he has is with other people. The BNP/EDL/Britain First fans who use the image of him shuffling round the garden as some sort of proof of whatever nasty point they're trying to push at the time. Not the man himself.

I've read shit like that from one of my half brothers - along the lines of how immigrants/asylum seekers/economic migrants have reduced us to having to rely upon heroes to pay for their medical care and benefits, how Captain Tom didn't walk around the garden for x person to bring in their entire family and five 'wives', how Our Boys are all that is good in the world with picture of him and they only get a pittance pension whilst illegals (who seem to have Schroedinger-like qualities in simultaneously being idle, taking all the jobs, being single males and being heavily pregnant women having 15 children) get £86 grand a year for being here. Plus the way the MPs leaped upon him as a way of looking good in a year when none of them actually did that well.

It's the context of the adoration, the way his image has been adopted as the personification of opinions he very probably wanted fuck all to do with (or at the very least, had the sense not to share). Not the man.

How does the clergyman's comment impact on your daily life op?

@trulydelicious

Does this 'priest' know his boss is elderly, white and British too?

I think you'll find his actual boss (if you believe in that sort of thing) is extremely elderly, probably not white, definitely not British and isn't even human.

'I think you'll find his actual boss (if you believe in that sort of thing) is extremely elderly, probably not white, definitely not British and isn't even human.'

@nursejekyll

How does the clergyman's comment impact on your daily life op

Of course what clergymen/religious leaders say impact the lives of many, they are spiritual referents, shapers of opinion. Trusted and followed. They should encourage compassion and tolerance.

They simply cannot suddenly kick off and start dishing out hate against a certain sector of society (amongst whom, ironically is the very person who is his boss)

@NeverDropYourMoonCup

The problem he has is with other people. The BNP/EDL/Britain First fans who use the image of him shuffling round the garden as some sort of proof of whatever nasty point they're trying to push at the time. Not the man himself

That's your interpretation, but it's not what he actually said

@NeverDropYourMoonCup

I think you'll find his actual boss (if you believe in that sort of thing) is extremely elderly, probably not white, definitely not British and isn't even human

You know what I mean, if he hates his boss so much maybe it's time he changed jobs as any decent person would

But can you give an example of how the comment impacts on your life - how will you be discriminated against in your day to day life as a result?

@nursejekyll

But can you give an example of how the comment impacts on your life

I don't need to explain how his comments affect me personally.

It's sufficient that I empathise with those who are being offended by his words (including Captain Tom)

Does anyone remember Win Page?

metro.co.uk/2020/04/21/another-99-year-old-lengths-garden-turns-100-12587157/

She also didnt reach Captain Tom fame. There were lots of people copied his actions.

Were all of them ignored due to racism, or do they not count if they dont fit the racism narrative?

NurseJekell, not me personally as I didnt do the clap but my (non-white) sister are pretty fucked off at being called white nationalists.

Can't stand the clapping

Can we move on from this unhelpful war fetishism please and I speak as one who's dear father fought in WW2 and maternal grandfather was gassed at the Somme and I grew up steeped in analysis and history. This nationalistic jingoism can ultimately lead to very dark places and be exploited by scoundrels.

How do you know Captain Tom is offended by his words...did you ask him?

Ugh, the war fetishism. Exactly.

What an odd experience you’re having.

I’m white and nobody’s trying to humiliate or belittle me. I wonder why your experience is so very different?

There are certainly efforts to challenge racist attitudes and no doubt racists find that humiliating etc.

But that doesn’t apply to you, does it OP?

You’re certainly not an overt racist.

So nothing to worry about.

@trulydelicious

And of course people are going to take offence when they see the squadrons of woke activists forcing white people to publicly apologise for having been born almost (the 'taking the knee' bollocks particularly embarrassing). What do you expect?

Are you on a wind-up? Taking the knee during the national anthem was begun a gesture of respect for the armed forces and those who died in war. It came about from a conversation between Colin Kapernick and a military veteran about how to protest against jingoistic nationalism and racism whilst showing appropriate respect for fallen soldiers and those who risk their lives. It’s not about making white people apologise for being born. Where on earth have you got that idea from?

@Frodont why would you choose to live in a country if you weren’t happy to share their nationalism?

I wouldn’t move to Saudi Arabia and expect them to fall over themselves to live their life’s around not offending me. Because it wouldn’t happen. It doesn't happen anywhere else. It’s ridiculous.

I was thinking this. Imagine if an old white Frenchman had circled his garden or an old white Italian. Can’t see any row about it being “racist” to support this