Captain Sir Tom Moore: Cleric's apology for tweet condemning nationwide clap 'does not undo hurt'

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news.sky.com/story/captain-sir-tom-moore-apology-for-tweet-condemning-clap-for-captain-tom-does-not-undo-hurt-12208212

It's worrying how some can harbour so much hate and still be allowed to hold a position in the Church (and fuel division through Twitter)

He didnt get as much publicity because he was inspired by (copied) Tom Moore.

Theres so much real racism Im unsure why people feel the need to claim everything is racism.

Or didn't have a family with links to a PR company and the government?

I doubt he retracted it because he thought ‘oh dear l think I may have come across a bit racist there’ he was made to retract it by his employers

TBF we don't actually know if that's the case, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't a factor - after all it's hardly unusual to leap back into line after offending employers, especially when someone's still training
Nor do the diocese seem to think the apology's enough, since they've said "it does not undo the hurt he has caused" and are continuing the investigation

Anyway it's up to them to determine whether Jarel's suitable for the job after all, but as said, good luck to them in handling it all if they decoide not

I can see where he’s coming from. I’m not black or from a minority ethnic background, but if I was was I think that I would be able to see where he’s coming from even more.

I don't understand the argument about "if a white person said it about a black person it would cause uproar," because surely this is obvious and a generally accepted concept? White people are not systematically oppressed, black people are.

You only have to look at the comments Meghan Markle has received- who is fairly white passing- to see how racist British people can be. It does no harm to question and critique and I think it is worthwhile considering a black man's point. You don't have to agree, but at least consider it from his perspective. There is a lot to learn from someone who has a completely different life experience from you.

Would Captain Tom have been so celebrated if he had been black or a person of colour? Would he have been quite so marketed by the Conservatives? These are simply questions to ask yourself from a critical viewpoint and whatever conclusion you reach, it's worthwhile considering.

*I think it is worthwhile considering a black mans point even if you disagree, that should say

Also no one is saying everyone who claps is racist or a white, British nationalist. The actual question is whether the reason Captain Tom was so popular was because British society facilitates such figures (ie, white, respectable authority figure) and propels them to popularity under white. British nationalism.

Some people are too sensitive- A black man is critiquing society and offering his point of view and has to instantly retract it and defend himself. It reminds me of that Christmas advert where a bunch of white people got offended because it only showed a black family.

Black people are frequently discriminated against, suffer racism and adverse impacts, including poverty, discrimination in jobs and the workplace, etc, in comparison to white people, to name just a few. Recognising this doesn't invalidate white people or their existence, it is literally just an acknowledgement of the fact that racism exists and we as a society should do better to recognise this.

Having suffered several major bereavements, I know that some selfish idiots always try to make it all about them. I had to ban everybody except my very immediate family from my father's burial because of it. In this case the major offenders are Boris Johnson, the media and this selfish priest. All of you seem to be forgetting the bereaved family who clearly loved Tom very much. The man was barely cold before this hooha began. Shame on them

They hawked him round enough beforehand, I wouldby worry.

@Mybeautifulwinycette

They hawked him round enough beforehand, I wouldby worry.

If you're talking to me then I would say that Tom enjoyed every minute of the publicity. Good on him.

He’s absolutely not wrong, though I do question the timing.

Twitter isn’t a great platform for nuance but I think his comment was fair.

I’m so happy sane people have come into this thread in the last few pages. I agree totally with @MadameMinimes

@PheasantPlucker1 ah yes he copied Tom, only one old man is allowed to raise money for charity .

Perhaps we should be more concerned with what the leader of a country says about people of other races than some random church affiliated man.
I don’t think that’s too hard for you to understand.

Anything can be hard if the person rails against it though, sigh.

@Flower234

White people are not systematically oppressed, black people are

So you think it's ok to attack white people then

@MadameMinimes

There is definitely an undercurrent of white British nationalism behind some of the celebration of Captain Tom

Don't you think that this supposed 'undercurrent' (assuming it exists), could be a consequence of people having had enough of this wokeness nonsense?

You cannot keep relentlessly attacking a certain group of people (trying to make them feel guilty and humiliate them for their race, beliefs, background) and not expect retaliation in return, sorry

And I agree. people should stop bringing B Johnson into every thread in order to bash him.

This clergyman is supposed to be a religious and spiritual referent, and he definitely should know better.

@DimidDavilby

Well, according to the press, this clergyman openly speaks against the Tory government, so who knows what his advice regarding the vaccine would be

Not following your logic here? Is there any

Well, he appears to be prepared to do what it takes to sabotage the government - perhaps even advising people against Covid vaccination

Who knows what he may say during a sermon if he thinks nothing of being so forthcoming with these ideas on Twitter

Black people are frequently discriminated against, suffer racism and adverse impacts, including poverty, discrimination in jobs and the workplace, etc, in comparison to white people, to name just a few.

Indeed this happens quite often, so why are we spending so much time just talking about it and berating white peoples for not just accepting their label of racist, and start actually trying to do something about it? All that energy spent virtue signalling on SM and trying to spot and shame "racism" everywhere. Critical Race Theory has a great deal to answer for and I despair at those who get their info from the likes of "White Fragility" and use it to form their value system and then lecture others.

Mostly when I see these kinds of discussion I see a sly glee that whites are finally tasting the bitter medicine, it's "their turn" and/or a nauseating self flagellation that those who engage in doing it try to encourage in others. What is the use of it? What does it do? What does it change? What does it actually do to change any systems. It's just so overwhelmingly negative and seems to be for the enjoyment of the person pontificating about it rather than leading to any meaningful change.

Can anyone remember the name of the Sikh chap of similar age who also fund raised a shitload? No, didn't think so.

No I can't. I wish I did though. What's his name? I was just talking to my daughter today how brilliant the local Sikh community were in providing assistance and food to the hundreds of lorry drivers stranded over Christmas because a political tussle and how doing charitable and supportive works in their communities is a core tenet of their belief systems - she's learning about them in RS at the moment.

@MadameMinimes

his priest is entitled to feel uncomfortable about that

I'm not exactly sure what made him feel uncomfortable about Captain Tom, but he is definitely not entitled to spout hate speech on SM

The undercurrent to threads like these is always that black people are the real racists and white people are the real victims of racism in Britain

There's white people who are racists and there's black people who are racists. None should be tolerated. What this clergyman said was racist and is unacceptable

@HmmSureJan

Can anyone remember the name of the Sikh chap of similar age who also fund raised a shitload? No, didn't think so.

No I can't. I wish I did though. What's his name? I was just talking to my daughter today how brilliant the local Sikh community were in providing assistance and food to the hundreds of lorry drivers stranded over Christmas because a political tussle and how doing charitable and supportive works in their communities is a core tenet of their belief systems - she's learning about them in RS at the moment.

bollocks did you!

I certainly did, do you want to see a copy of her task booklet? . It's part of the Year 9 curriculum.

There is definitely an undercurrent of white British nationalism behind some of the celebration of Captain Tom

Absolutely agree

It’s shameful

And of course people are going to take offence when they see the squadrons of woke activists forcing white people to publicly apologise for having been born almost (the 'taking the knee' bollocks particularly embarrassing). What do you expect?