Forcing vaccination

[Peaceiseveryrhing]

Just read this on the Beeb

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55718553

Personally, I think it's outrageous that employees may insist on vaccination and airlines preventing travel.

A communistic approach!

I think there will be some kind of stamp on passports.
Totally happy with it.

Why should I spend hours in a plane with another person who wont act in the best interests of society.

Other countries make sure you need a certain vaccine or no entry. Why not Covid.

@CherryRoulade

It’s sincerely hope airlines do insist on vaccination. If people choose not to have the vaccination they can holiday in Bognor Regis or Margate.

It’s a choice. If I choose to drink half a bottle of wine, I choose not to be able to drive home.

It’s not forcing anyone.

Shall I tear up some bed clothes and get you a horse ?

I've already pointed out that religion is a protected title @Peaceiseveryrhing vaccination status is not.

How will this work for say, pregnant women? Will they be sacked for not having the vaccination when pregnant?

That comes under medical exemption, but also, no-ones is suggesting workplaces are going to make it compulsory, only leisure activities like concerts and holidays!

I don't think we have to worry tbh. If vacc uptake is like maks in here, no country will let us in from the plague island anyway😐
I will have to call in for repatriation if I want to see my family in a future🙄

Nobody knows what the long term effects of these vaccines are. And that's fact! No other vaccine in the history of mankind has been rushed out the door without long term testing. Of course, if you've invented a time machine and can zip 10,15 years into the future to check, please do let me know
@Peaceiseveryrhing do you really think that scientists sat on previous vaccines for 15 years from testing to wait for reactions? It’s true vaccines can have long lasting effects. None have had effects which take 10 years to become apparent.

@AStudyinPink

The point about a free choice when it comes to healthcare is that the choice shouldn’t come with coercive, discriminatory consequences.

But it's not only you that is affected. You could easily pass Covid on to me or dozens of others. In a civilised society we all have to give up some of our freedons for the greater good. Feel free to die of covid, and take comfort from the fact that you died with your princples intact.

It's not been 'rushed through' but it has been rushed. People have been taken off other projects and focused onto this vaccine, my DB being one of them.

The reason it takes so long is because of funding and paperwork, that is what's been rushed through. It's been tested as it would normally be tested.

A black market will arise from this.

No matter how demented you are about wanting a vaccine.
Medication cannot and should not be forced upon you, it's as simple as that.

It's completely different about having to have jags to travel to another country.

But just to exist in your country of origin what a fucking joke.

It’s already legal to discriminate if on balance it is necessary to protect the rights of others.

I’m diabetic - I have to reapply for a driving licence every three years and if I have a hypo when driving I will lose my license. I also legally have to check my blood sugar before driving which other drivers don’t and can lose my license by not following these rules.

That’s discrimination. Discrimination due to a protected characteristic nonetheless. Also perfectly legal as it’s to protect others on the road as should be the priority.

My wanting to drive or others wanting to go on holiday shouldn’t be more important than everyone else’s safety.

I follow the rules and I have no issue with it because I’m not an arsehole.

Goady thread from an anti vaxxer who needs to learn the definition of actual discrimination.

Poor effort OP. If you want to post anti vax nonsense again try and at least dress it up with some sort of rational argument.

@x2boys

I don't think anyone,s going to hold people down for a vaccine ,I have sadly been part of team injecting mentally unwell people against their will and it's distressing for everyone ,that's very different to not allowing unvaccinated people to attend events as obviously they have a choice wether to vaccinate or not.

How is that even legal ?

@AStudyinPink

The point about a free choice when it comes to healthcare is that the choice shouldn’t come with coercive, discriminatory consequences.

Except that if enough people choose not to have the vaccine and these passports are disallowed so we don't upset them, then we'll all end up with SD measures forever. So whichever way you look at it, one group's choices will impact on the other's won't they?

Bet you wouldn't apply that argument to something like saysexuality, race, gender? Last time I checked, race sexuality etc wasn’t a choice.

Plenty of countries make certain vaccinations a condition of being allowed to enter. This is no different. As for the people wining about how this is all too soon yada yada yada here’s an idea. Stay home for the next ten years, keep washing your hands, home schooling your kids, no visiting friends or family now and no going out anywhere because you clearly prefer to stay in lockdown than have a vaccine which has gone through more quickly because of the lack of bureaucracy rather than not enough testing...

Vaccinating 68 million people every year or so is going to be a logistical nightmare. Will employers be sacking people because their vaccination certificate is out of date as they can’t get an appointment for x amount of months?

@LadyMayoGoodway

Oh gosh why are people so dumb....how is this forcing OP? I’ve said this on another certain vaccinations for travel to certain countries and have been entry/visa requirements for YEARS!!!! This is nothing new for those who’ve been further than Benidorm 🙄.

Also lots of countries have mad standard childhood vaccinations mandatory to attend state schools and day care.

This is nothing new and no one is ‘forcing’. Grow up.

How insulting. You know nothing about me.

Your arguments all fail spectacularly. Other vaccines go through years of testing, these new vaccines have not.

Hand on heart, can you tell me that there'll be no long term side effects? If you can, you're a liar (in addition to being provocative and uneducated)

It's not forcing, it's consequences. You can choose not to have it, and they can choose to restrict you because of your choice. Is it a bit of a crappy choice- yea. But it's not forcing anyone to have it.

I have no problem with it. We are in a pandemic and vaccination is the answer. If people want to decline the vaccine fine. But don’t expect there to be no consequences. No-one of forcing you to have to travel. We all need to play our part in kicking Covid away.

@pusskins06 Ever heard of someone being sectioned? Allow me to introduce you to Google.....

www.mind.org.uk/information-support/legal-rights/consent-to-treatment/could-i-be-treated-without-my-consent/

@WalrusWife

We don’t even know if the vaccines stop transmission yet.

While this is true, it’s being hugely misinterpreted. Scientists are saying - we don’t k ow yet because we need some time with a significant number of people vaccinated before we have the data, but other vaccines provide this protection so there’s no reason this one won’t. Scientists don’t just make stuff up, so they won’t say it will, or even probably will, without data. Doesn’t mean they don’t expect it to. People are reading that as ‘scientists say it doesn’t/won’t prevent transmission’. Lack of science literacy.

Totally fine for people to suffer the natural consequences of not having it

People who can't have it - tough 🤷‍♀️ - there are many things I can't do

These threads are like Groundhog Day. 🥱

@WalrusWife

Vaccinating 68 million people every year or so is going to be a logistical nightmare. Will employers be sacking people because their vaccination certificate is out of date as they can’t get an appointment for x amount of months?

There’s no more reason to suspect we’ll need regular vaccinations than to suspect we won’t. Like the ‘May not prevent transmission’ thing, it’s misinterpretation of scientists saying they don’t know how long it’ll protect and they only have 5-8 months evidence at the moment. Doesn’t mean it won’t last years and years. Just means there is no evidence yet.

We will still be under lockdown, vaccine or no vaccine.

Completely agree it’s outrageous and we shouldn’t but into this narrative

I look forward to being able to pick services etc where everyone will be vaccinated.
Me too. It will mean no need for face masks etc. Why should we all carry on with these tedious restrictions just because of a few loonies who would rather put themselves and others at risk from a preventable disease?