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Forcing vaccination

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Peaceiseveryrhing · 31/01/2021 20:39

Just read this on the Beeb

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55718553

Personally, I think it's outrageous that employees may insist on vaccination and airlines preventing travel.

A communistic approach! Angry

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Theunamedcat · 31/01/2021 21:03

Its really unenforceable unless the vaccine is available to all and we don't know if this will need to be an annual vaccine or one off yet

vodkaredbullgirl · 31/01/2021 21:04

Hmm new name

intheenddoesitreallymatter · 31/01/2021 21:04

@Bagelsandbrie

I think there’s a difference between forcing people to have the vaccine and saying they can’t travel / enter shopping centres / go to concerts etc unless they provide proof of having had it. If people want normal life back the vaccine is the only way we can do that.
You cannot say people can have autonomy and then proceed to ban them from all walks of normal life.
WalrusWife · 31/01/2021 21:05

Well I’m pregnant and then I’ll be breastfeeding so not having the vaccine for now.

AStudyinPink · 31/01/2021 21:05

The point about a free choice when it comes to healthcare is that the choice shouldn’t come with coercive, discriminatory consequences.

Besiegedbykillersquirrels · 31/01/2021 21:07

@Sinful8 - being anti-vax isn't a protected characteristic. Also, nobody can get ill and die from sharing a plane with a person of a different sexuality, gender or race. So a bit of a daft comparison really.

If you choose to opt out of being a responsible member of society by refusing to have the vaccine then you should expect the perks of being a responsible member of society to be limited.

Sillyduckseverywhere · 31/01/2021 21:07

I really can't bring myself to care about people that refuse something that will get us back to some semblance of normality.
You can't go on holiday or the cinema? Sucks to be you. I suggest you change your mind.
No one is obliged to offer you a service.
(Medical exemptions aside of course. I mean proper medical exemptions, not "I'm anxious" Hmm)

tilder · 31/01/2021 21:08

Quite SchrodingersImmigrant

I've read so much entitled, ignorant bullshit over the past few months. I've had enough. I want my life back. I want to see my parents. I want my kids at school. I want dh to work normal hours and stop looking so haunted.

So sick of the entitled bleating of those who, for whatever spurious reason, say they will choose to not have the vaccine.

I understand some have genuine concerns. For the vast majority, they are not genuine reasons. Gives me the rage.

AStudyinPink · 31/01/2021 21:09

I really can't bring myself to care about people that refuse something that will get us back to some semblance of normality.

Grim.

SoupDragon · 31/01/2021 21:12

Aren't some vaccinations already compulsory for some destinations?

DappledThings · 31/01/2021 21:12

@Sillyduckseverywhere

I really can't bring myself to care about people that refuse something that will get us back to some semblance of normality. You can't go on holiday or the cinema? Sucks to be you. I suggest you change your mind. No one is obliged to offer you a service. (Medical exemptions aside of course. I mean proper medical exemptions, not "I'm anxious" Hmm)
I'm with this. Don't think it's grim at all.
MartiniDry · 31/01/2021 21:12

Schrodingers, I believe that you're right in predicting that if you cannot be vaccinated you'll be fine but if you decline to be you'll face issues but that very approach shows how ridiculous the situation will be.

cardibach · 31/01/2021 21:12

There are several countries where vaccinations are compulsory fir children attending school. There are several countries who require certain vaccinations from tourists already. Are they all communist blackmailers too?
It isn’t coercion. It isn’t blackmail. It isn’t communism. It’s companies choosing to set health parameters for people they serve, for the protection of their staff and other customers. Grow up.

SpamIAm · 31/01/2021 21:13

I'd be very disappointed in this. From a personal perspective, but also why covid? People have argued for years that other vaccinations should be compulsory to access school etc and those ideas are shot down.

I'm breastfeeding and so won't be having the vaccine until I've stopped - I'm not satisfied that "the vaccine can be given to breastfeeding mothers after consideration of their clinical need for the vaccine" is sufficient to protect my child. It would be extremely disappointing if I was banned from certain shops etc until I either was forced into taking a perceived risk that I'm not happy with or weaning before I'm ready.

CherryRoulade · 31/01/2021 21:13

It’s sincerely hope airlines do insist on vaccination. If people choose not to have the vaccination they can holiday in Bognor Regis or Margate.

It’s a choice. If I choose to drink half a bottle of wine, I choose not to be able to drive home.

It’s not forcing anyone.

NeverDropYourMoonCup · 31/01/2021 21:14

If it's communistic, then so is the NHS, as before I took a five day temping job in admin at one Trust, I had to have tests to confirm immunity to Measles and TB - and would have had to be vaccinated if I didn't have immunity and still wanted to earn any money. Actual clinical staff have to also be immune/vaccinated against Hepatitis.

Same way that before I started a particular bunch of medications, I had to be tested for TB immunity again and would have had to be vaccinated (or treated to occult TB) prior to receiving the first treatment - not just because it would be dangerous for me, but because of the risk to public health I would pose if I were then to be wandering about in society with active Tuberculosis.

If anything, it's capitalistic, as insisting upon proof of vaccination keeps the workers/business going and makes them less likely to be shut down following a huge outbreak.

cardibach · 31/01/2021 21:14

@MartiniDry

Schrodingers, I believe that you're right in predicting that if you cannot be vaccinated you'll be fine but if you decline to be you'll face issues but that very approach shows how ridiculous the situation will be.
No, it doesn’t. There will always be some people who can’t get vaccinated. If everyone else does it doesn’t matter. The more people you have around without vaccination, the bigger the risk. Those not getting it because they have some spurious reason are making it more dangerous.
NerrSnerr · 31/01/2021 21:17

We already need to have certain vaccinations to do certain things. I'm a nurse and need certain vaccinations and when travelling to some destinations you need vaccinations. I don't see how this is any different.

WalrusWife · 31/01/2021 21:17

Well at the current rate, nobody will be travelling any where or eating out as everywhere will be closed for the foreseeable future. Vaccine or no vaccine.

And it would be kind of weird if children can never go anywhere as they won’t be vaccinated. And healthy under 50s won’t be for ages. So will we have a two tier society where under 50s will be staying at home whilst the 90 year olds go clubbing?

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Peaceiseveryrhing · 31/01/2021 21:18

@Bagelsandbrie

It’s not blackmail. None of those things are essential are they?
Actually - yes. If your employee insists on vaccination and you don't want the vaccine!
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RuggerHug · 31/01/2021 21:19

You already need certain vaccines to travel places. If you don't want to get one you head somewhere else instead. You don't want to protect co workers and everyone else you come in contact with fine. Go find another job. Honestly, some people never grow up and seem to think I DON'T WANNNAAAAAHHHH will get them anywhere. You want rights you accept the responsibility that goes with it.

WalrusWife · 31/01/2021 21:20

Also, if we face having to be vaccinated every year or so forever, they’ll be a continual vaccine programme for all 68 million people. “Oh your vaccination certificate has expired and we can’t get you in for another 6 months for your next one, no work / public transport / shopping / NHS appointments for you!”

TillyTopper · 31/01/2021 21:21

I think it's fair enough - no one is forcing anyone to have a vaccine. However, what you can do may be restricted if you don't have a vaccine - it's up to you. Due to the vast numbers of people in our office (when not in lockdown) I wouldn't be surprised if my company put this rule in too - and I think it's fair enough. Vaccines are only effective if enough people have them after all.

LadyMayoGoodway · 31/01/2021 21:21

Oh gosh why are people so dumb....how is this forcing OP? I’ve said this on another certain vaccinations for travel to certain countries and have been entry/visa requirements for YEARS!!!! This is nothing new for those who’ve been further than Benidorm 🙄.

Also lots of countries have mad standard childhood vaccinations mandatory to attend state schools and day care.

This is nothing new and no one is ‘forcing’. Grow up.

WalrusWife · 31/01/2021 21:22

How will this work for say, pregnant women? Will they be sacked for not having the vaccination when pregnant?